Dabo's first 3 years at clemson

[Corey lea]

Year	School	G	W	L	T	Pct	SRS	SOS	AP Pre	AP High	AP Post	Bowl	Notes
2008	Clemson	7	4	3	0	.571	6.97	2.51	9	9		Gator Bowl-L
2009	Clemson	14	9	5	0	.643	11.73	4.01		15	24	Music City Bowl-W
2010	Clemson	13	6	7	0	.462	7.35	3.74				Meineke Car Care Bowl-L

 

Tom Herman getting his own players in the system

Rk	Year	Conf	W	L	T	Pct	SRS	SOS	AP Pre	AP High	AP Post	Coach(es)	Bowl	Notes
1	2019	Big 12	5	3	0	.625	10.83	4.71	10	9		Tom Herman (5-3)
2	2018	Big 12	10	4	0	.714	11.15	6.30	23	6	9	Tom Herman (10-4)	Sugar Bowl-W
3	2017	Big 12	7	6	0	.538			23	23		Tom Herman (7-6)	Texas Bowl-W

 

ED Orgeron at a P5 school similar to this program....put him where there were players and facilities

Year	School	G	W	L	T	Pct	SRS	SOS	AP Pre	AP High	AP Post	Bowl	Notes
2005	Ole Miss	11	3	8	0	.273	-7.48	0.52
2006	Ole Miss	12	4	8	0	.333	-1.74	4.59
2007	Ole Miss	12	3	9	0	.250	-1.31	6.11

 

The point being made is, this is not a powerhouse school that was chopped full of talent.  Herman won with Strong's guys coming of age. Now that his players are in, well he isn't in the top 25 with the richest football budget in college football. Year four is the magic number when you have to build with your own players. CCS did well with Flowers, just like Taggart. The the lack of talent of the program happened and now he is trying to build legit talent. Defense is about there and the offense needs a 10 player portal infusion, just like the D got last year. It was good to see the recruits CCS brought in get some quality time yesterday without any major drop on D. Bell will bring in a young QB and we will get some help from all positions on O from the portal and you will forget this mess that we are having to endure. McCloud is not a dang qb. Period!!!  

[Bull94]

4 minutes ago, Corey lea said:

Year	School	G	W	L	T	Pct	SRS	SOS	AP Pre	AP High	AP Post	Bowl	Notes
2008	Clemson	7	4	3	0	.571	6.97	2.51	9	9		Gator Bowl-L
2009	Clemson	14	9	5	0	.643	11.73	4.01		15	24	Music City Bowl-W
2010	Clemson	13	6	7	0	.462	7.35	3.74				Meineke Car Care Bowl-L

 

Tom Herman getting his own players in the system

Rk	Year	Conf	W	L	T	Pct	SRS	SOS	AP Pre	AP High	AP Post	Coach(es)	Bowl	Notes
1	2019	Big 12	5	3	0	.625	10.83	4.71	10	9		Tom Herman (5-3)
2	2018	Big 12	10	4	0	.714	11.15	6.30	23	6	9	Tom Herman (10-4)	Sugar Bowl-W
3	2017	Big 12	7	6	0	.538			23	23		Tom Herman (7-6)	Texas Bowl-W

 

ED Orgeron at a P5 school similar to this program....put him where there were players and facilities

Year	School	G	W	L	T	Pct	SRS	SOS	AP Pre	AP High	AP Post	Bowl	Notes
2005	Ole Miss	11	3	8	0	.273	-7.48	0.52
2006	Ole Miss	12	4	8	0	.333	-1.74	4.59
2007	Ole Miss	12	3	9	0	.250	-1.31	6.11

 

The point being made is, this is not a powerhouse school that was chopped full of talent.  Herman won with Strong's guys coming of age. Now that his players are in, well he isn't in the top 25 with the richest football budget in college football. Year four is the magic number when you have to build with your own players. CCS did well with Flowers, just like Taggart. The the lack of talent of the program happened and now he is trying to build legit talent. Defense is about there and the offense needs a 10 player portal infusion, just like the D got last year. It was good to see the recruits CCS brought in get some quality time yesterday without any major drop on D. Bell will bring in a young QB and we will get some help from all positions on O from the portal and you will forget this mess that we are having to endure. McCloud is not a dang qb. Period!!!  

yeah we've got the next Dabo Swinney on our hands......

make or break year for Strong. can't make a bowl in year 3 then you are not the answer.

BTW our defense looks good against terrible offenses. Temple has the #92 scoring offense in the country.

he's not trying to build anything. he is trying to put band aids on to stop the bleeding. what happens when Macon and Stdustill leave this year? what about the short life of any portal players?

[George_Bullnard_Shaw]

No matter what point you are trying to make, it fails when you even indirectly compare Strong and Sweeney.

[BayIslandBull]

Please stop...

Charlie did not have to rebuild here, he just had to maintain. 

[Ghostbuster]

Well at least this time you didn't insult people by saying the ppl in the stands probably had free tickets....

Purely on a W-L record I agree that expectations should be managed a bit more.  We shouldn't be too upset about a coach with 2 winning seasons having a losing season after big playmakers left and there was a rebuild going on.  Especially now with a young qb, new OC, etc etc....there are lots of things that require patience.

HOWEVER, it is not about just wins and losses.  "The process" has been awful.  Quarterbacks have been completely misused these past two years.  He chose a pro QB to focus on with a team built for the spread.  When that QB went down last year, he never chose a true backup and instead alternated between two guys.  That pissed them both off to the point of leaving, and that has burned us this year because we have no depth.  This year he brings in an OC who still wants to stick with the pro style QB even though the same problems that got the QB hurt last year are still present.

His time management sucks, his killer instinct sucks (kneeldowns at the 40 yd line to end a half), his excuses (blaming uniforms) suck, etc etc.

We have seen enough.  He very well could have success given time, but most of us feel it would be in spite of these handicaps he places on the team.  For those who see it that way, there is no reason to want him here anymore.

Edited November 8, 2019 by Ghostbuster

[El_Toro_86]

Here’s what year 3 looks like with a good coach.  Twice!

[JTrue]

I quit reading at "chopped full of talent."

[puc86]

2 minutes ago, JTrue said:

I quit reading at "chopped full of talent."

Maybe we don’t need a portal we just need to Dr Frankenstein together some top talent.

[George_Bullnard_Shaw]

1 hour ago, El_Toro_86 said:

Here’s what year 3 looks like with a good coach.  Twice!

At both schools. That's impressive.

[puc86]

3 minutes ago, George_Bullnard_Shaw said:

At both schools. That's impressive.

That's impossible burn the witch