Welcome atsKnight

[atsKnight]

2 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Good point. I'll add that to your file ....

I'll be honest, at first I thought puc was a UCF concern troll. But over the years, ive realized he(she?) is just one of the few willing to be blunt about concerns. He was right about the rivalry, y'all never should have played us. Nothing to gain everything to lose. No UCF fan would have admitted that. 

[puc86]

1 minute ago, atsKnight said:

Only the trolls come now. But the UCF fans I've seen on other boards are pretty respectful, if a little defensive. 

I will take your word for it as I do not feel compelled to visit other boards but my view from the interactions on this site is that there is a sense of entitlement to your posters to this board, you used to feel entitled to play us, then to be rivals, then to be in our conference, then to be accepted, then to like your stadium then to be national champions, then to accept your water park tailgating etc. Other people don’t owe you acknowledgment, acceptance or accolades and if your fanbase was comfortable that their claims were as grand as they claim they wouldn’t require other people to confirm them for them. This is why some people think you guys are insecure because you come across as thirsty for acceptance. 

[puc86]

6 minutes ago, atsKnight said:

I'll be honest, at first I thought puc was a UCF concern troll. But over the years, ive realized he(she?) is just one of the few willing to be blunt about concerns. He was right about the rivalry, y'all never should have played us. Nothing to gain everything to lose. No UCF fan would have admitted that. 

You are starting to grow on me 

[atsKnight]

23 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I will take your word for it as I do not feel compelled to visit other boards but my view from the interactions on this site is that there is a sense of entitlement to your posters to this board, you used to feel entitled to play us, then to be rivals, then to be in our conference, then to be accepted, then to like your stadium then to be national champions, then to accept your water park tailgating etc. Other people don’t owe you acknowledgment, acceptance or accolades and if your fanbase was comfortable that their claims were as grand as they claim they wouldn’t require other people to confirm them for them. This is why some people think you guys are insecure because you come across as thirsty for acceptance. 

You should read the rest of that previous post after "I'm a big fan". We like to interact with rival fanbases to see how they'll react. We run things by them because we have a good idea of what works and what doesn't and it is interesting to watch other fanbases blindly defend their school's strategy or lack thereof. We did it with ECU, USM, Marshall, etc. 

It's not just our stuff, that's why UCF fans always weigh in on a USF OCS. We know it's a good idea and important for y'all, but it's fascinating to listen to fans defend RayJay. It gets more interesting the more obvious the effects get. 

So we're at the beginning stages of this process with the lazy river. It's almost certainly a good idea. But what are USF fans going to say? Oh, they think it's dumb, glad USF would never do this. Ok, we'll mark it down and check in later. Then you come back later and some are wondering why there isn't a USF lazy river but are shouted down. Later, we're celebrating all the good things the lazy river has brought and the tone here changes to, maybe we should have made a lazy river...

Just be patient, I've posted something like on other boards before. 

Edit: hiring Strong was immensely fascinating. USF were celebrating the hire, but UCF fans were celebrating more. We were debating whether it would set y'all back 4 or 6 years, depending on the buyout. The progression here from celebration to defeat has been obvious to some of you, as well, right?

Edited September 21, 2019 by atsKnight

[Triple B]

28 minutes ago, atsKnight said:

He was right about the rivalry, y'all never should have played us. Nothing to gain everything to lose. No UCF fan would have admitted that.

I agree that there was no need to play you back then but the thing is, it wasn't a rivalry then (except to some Internet denizens) and we didn't lose a thing by playing you. If there's been any damage done, it's been when we were on the same level and as much as some want to deny it, there was nothing we could have done about the leveling out.

[puc86]

8 minutes ago, atsKnight said:

You should read the rest of that previous post after "I'm a big fan". We like to interact with rival fanbases to see how they'll react. We run things by them because we have a good idea of what works and what doesn't and it is interesting to watch other fanbases blindly defend their school's strategy or lack thereof. We did it with ECU, USM, Marshall, etc. 

It's not just our stuff, that's why UCF fans always weigh in on a USF OCS. We know it's a good idea and important for y'all, but it's fascinating to listen to fans defend RayJay. It gets more interesting the more obvious the effects get. 

So we're at the beginning stages of this process with the lazy river. It's almost certainly a good idea. But what are USF fans going to say? Oh, they think it's dumb, glad USF would never do this. Ok, we'll mark it down and check in later. Then you come back later and some are wondering why there isn't a USF lazy river but are shouted down. Later, we're celebrating all the good things the lazy river has brought and the tone here changes to, maybe we should have made a lazy river...

Just be patient, I've posted something like on other boards before. 

Edit: hiring Strong was immensely fascinating. USF were celebrating the hire, but UCF fans were celebrating more. We were debating whether it would set y'all back 4 or 6 years, depending on the buyout. The progression here from celebration to defeat has been obvious to some of you, as well, right?

If no one seems interested in the fans advice why does your fanbase feel obligated to continue to dole it out to others that have no interest in it and can do nothing with it? Also at the moment you believe you are successful but that does not mean that will continue success or that some of your ideas aren’t viewed as successful from you because of present situations and not because they created them. Your OCS was empty when you were losing and is filled because you are winning, not the inverse. Had you had a better option you wouldn’t have built an OCS and desperation shouldn’t be confused with foresight.

[atsKnight]

14 minutes ago, Triple B said:

I agree that there was no need to play you back then but the thing is, it wasn't a rivalry then (except to some Internet denizens) and we didn't lose a thing by playing you. If there's been any damage done, it's been when we were on the same level and as much as some want to deny it, there was nothing we could have done about the leveling out.

I think (not 100% on this) that y'all were better off with Leavitt strategy. Act like your rivals are beneath you and not really rivals. UCF has focused on building our program and fanbase. Having rivals helps both. USF has focused more on establishing legitimacy as a program and having rivals that are newer undercuts that. 

I think the damage is that it helped us more than it helped you, so even when we were 0-4, the existence of the series helped us. 

[atsKnight]

18 minutes ago, puc86 said:

If no one seems interested in the fans advice why does your fanbase feel obligated to continue to dole it out to others that have no interest in it and can do nothing with it? Also at the moment you believe you are successful but that does not mean that will continue success or that some of your ideas aren’t viewed as successful from you because of present situations and not because they created them. Your OCS was empty when you were losing and is filled because you are winning, not the inverse. Had you had a better option you wouldn’t have built an OCS and desperation shouldn’t be confused with foresight.

I keep trying to say the same thing, but it doesn't seem to come across. We continue to dole out unwanted advice because it's interesting to watch someone ignore good advice and then experience the consequences. What are their arguments? How will they react when the consequences are happening? Will they know or stay in denial? Once it becomes obvious, will they admit mistakes or stay in denial? Those are all interesting questions. Especially in a college football world where a lot of the same things happen every year and there's not as much variation as you would expect.

That's a fair point about success and hindsight. We'll never know that stuff fully. But to your point about the stadium, the same applies. You don't know the full story of our stadium, neither do I. And neither of us know exactly why it has filled now where it didn't before. But my version of the story is much different than yours, involving a lot more fan support and a lot less luck. Which is part of what makes USF's lack of fan support for an OCS that much more fascinating. 

Edited September 21, 2019 by atsKnight
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[JTrue]

5 minutes ago, atsKnight said:

I keep trying to say the same thing, but it doesn't seem to come across. We continue to dole out unwanted advice because it's interesting to watch someone ignore good advice and then experience the consequences. What are their arguments? How will they react when the consequences are happening? Will they know or stay in denial? Once it becomes obvious, will they admit mistakes or stay in denial? Those are all interesting questions. Especially in a college football world where a lot of the same things happen every year and there's not as much variation as you would expect.

That's a fair point about success and hindsight. We'll never know that stuff fully. But to your point about the stadium, the same applies. You don't know the full story of our stadium, neither do I. And neither of us know exactly why it has filled now where it didn't before. But my version of the story is much different than yours, involving a lot more fan support and a lot less luck. Which is part of what makes USF's lack of fan support for an OCS that much more fascinating. 

2 hours from game time and you’re still here racking up the posts. I think you’ve already reached enough words to get your Gordon Rule credit. But nah, you’re not insecure.

[atsKnight]

2 minutes ago, JTrue said:

2 hours from game time and you’re still here racking up the posts. I think you’ve already reached enough words to get your Gordon Rule credit. But nah, you’re not insecure.

It's an interesting conversation. Is it going to be more interesting to watch Pitt fans say the same stuff Stanford fans said a week ago? Any response to my hypothesis about your projection of your own insecurity?

And what's the Gordon Rule credit?