Slowly the "tide" changes for UCF

[atsKnight]

10 minutes ago, DJBulls said:

You seem to be missing my point that Nortre Dame lost the national championship game and the vaunted Colley Matrix listed them on the top of their ranking...because of that absurdity, the NCAA won't directly state they are co-champions.

They do, it's in the record book, which we've been discussing this whole time. 

10 minutes ago, DJBulls said:

I'm not going to argue this nonsense with you any longer...

That sounds good to me. 

[JTrue]

2 hours ago, atsKnight said:

That sounds good to me. 

You’re running out of people to talk to.

[Triple B]

3 hours ago, SquareKnight said:

2. For those of you clueless enough to claim that the system "changed with the advent of the BCS +1 formula or the College Football Playoff, consider this.

- The NCAA FBS Record Book linked earlier in this thread LITERALLY has a section on page 108 titled "National Champion Major Selections (1896 to PRESENT)."  Notice it does NOT say 1896 to 2014 (the year prior to the beginning of the CFP)...or 1896 to 1997 (the year prior to the beginning of the BCS system).

 

The clueless one is still you, and apparently others. The NCAA FBS Record Book linked earlier in this thread LITERALLY AND QUITE CLEARLY spells out how FBS national champions are determined starting WITH the BCS era. There is no gray area. Starting in 1998, the record book goes out of its way to separate a national champion determined by a recognized process and a team that was just the highest ranked in a final poll.
 

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^From 1998-2013, the BCS was used to
determine national champions in FBS. All
“major selectors” not otherwise listed also
selected the BCS champion as its higest
ranked team in those seasons. In years where
a “major selector” had a team other than the
BCS champion as highest ranked team in its
final poll that team is listed below the BCS
Champion.

+Beginning in 2014, the College Football
Playoff was used to determine national champions
in FBS. All “major selectors” not otherwise
listed also selected the CFP champion
as its higest ranked team in those seasons.
In years where a “major selector” had a team
other than the CFP champion as highest
ranked team in its final poll that team is listed
below the CFP Champion.

 

 

[Bull Nut]

7 hours ago, Triple B said:

The clueless one is still you, and apparently others. The NCAA FBS Record Book linked earlier in this thread LITERALLY AND QUITE CLEARLY spells out how FBS national champions are determined starting WITH the BCS era. There is no gray area. Starting in 1998, the record book goes out of its way to separate a national champion determined by a recognized process and a team that was just the highest ranked in a final poll.
 

 

So this means UCF should change all their "National Champions" banners to "National Poll Leader" banners.  I have to tell you, "National Poll Leader" is much more fitting.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Bull Nut

[Triple B]

2 hours ago, Bull Nut said:

So this means UCF should change all their "National Champions" banners to "National Poll Leader" banners.  I have to tell you, "National Poll Leader" is much more fitting.

This was actually determined months ago but I guess their crushed natty hopes for this year have them in reminiscent mode. 

[Triple B]

2 hours ago, SquareKnight said:

I notice you skipped right over the second bullet of point #2...so let me show it to you again:

- If the NCAA really stopped considering the polls/formulas they previously considered, why do they still list them (and the teams they rank as #1) as PRESENT selectors in the official record book?

YOUR bullet point doesn't mean **** in this conversation. The NCAA has spoken in regards to national champions post 1998. Y'all were the highest ranked team in one final, loopy poll, not a national champion. Unlike ats, I know how to cut and paste and will continue to do so until this sinks in:

From 1998-2013, the BCS was used to
determine national champions in FBS. All
“major selectors” not otherwise listed also
selected the BCS champion as its higest
ranked team in those seasons. In years where
a “major selector” had a team other than the
BCS champion as highest ranked team in its
final poll that team is listed below the BCS
Champion.

+Beginning in 2014, the College Football
Playoff was used to determine national champions
in FBS. All “major selectors” not otherwise
listed also selected the CFP champion
as its higest ranked team in those seasons.
In years where a “major selector” had a team
other than the CFP champion as highest
ranked team in its final poll that team is listed
below the CFP Champion.

[BrassBulls12]

5 hours ago, Triple B said:

In years where a “major selector” had a team
other than the CFP champion as highest
ranked team in its final poll that team is listed
below the CFP Champion.

Key word.

[Triple B]

52 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Key word.

Other keywords to notice are how they used the term "major selector" in there rather than "national champion major selector". They are making it abundantly clear that they are not associating champion with someone who was only top ranked in a poll.

[Triple B]

8 hours ago, SquareKnight said:

Notice the NCAA record book uses the term "CFP Champion" and not "National Champion" in that paragraph.

I realized awhile ago that this has pretty much turned into you just stringing us along because there's no way you're this ******* clueless .... but as a good host, I'll oblige and just assume that maybe you have a vision problem that keeps you from differentiating red from white. I'll use green this time:

Beginning in 2014, the College Football
Playoff was used to determine national champions
in FBS. All “major selectors” not otherwise
listed also selected the CFP champion
as its higest ranked team in those seasons.
In years where a “major selector” had a team
other than the CFP champion as highest
ranked team in its final poll that team is listed
below the CFP Champion.

[Apis Bull]

22 hours ago, SquareKnight said:

I'll do you one better than a "copy and paste."  How about a screen shot of the actual document itself!

Notice the circled parts...National Champion...and the effective dates 1896 to PRESENT.  Not 1896 to 2013 or 1896 to 1996 as you seem to believe.

Are you really that dense?  The images you provided state, "The list includes both former selectors, who were instrumental in the sport of college football, and selectors who were among the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) selectors."

No where does it say that the, "selectors" selected a national champion on their own.