Jump to content

  • USF Bulls fans join us at The Bulls Pen

    It's simple, free and connects you to other South Florida Bulls fans!

  • Members do not see this ad, Register

Coaching Upgrade

BullyPulpit
 Share

Recommended Posts

Mike Stuben Toro Magnifico

Mike Stuben

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  74
  • Content Count:  2,455
  • Reputation:   1,127
  • Days Won:  19
  • Joined:  04/08/2012
Posted
On 4/6/2019 at 12:07 PM, George_Bullnard_Shaw said:

The search was a debacle. The result was a debacle. Not vetting Masiello's degree until after the announcement was a debacle. Talk about fruit from the poison tree. We should sue the search company.

In the interest of fairness, I am pretty sure USF never made any announcement. It got leaked out that USF was going to hire Masiello, which side leaked it, I have no idea. Forgive me if I am wrong, but that is my memory of what happened. USF did make a contingent offer, and Masiello failed to meet the contingent. (side note, whenever we hire a coach, they never sign a contract right away, first they sign an offer sheet, which has contingencies, that lays out the framework for the contract. Often the contract isn't signed for a while, I remember one instance where it was months)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 31
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

ForestBull
ForestBull

Wait, Orlando Antigua is a dogshit coach? 

flsportsfan83
flsportsfan83

Yep, some of us knew that from day 1.

Bull Dozer
Bull Dozer

I agree!  This team as a whole grew and improved so much from December until now. Collins, Yetna, and Durr especially. That's why I have so much enthusiasm for next season. There's no doubt this

Posted Images

Bull Dozer Toro Magnifico

Bull Dozer

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  343
  • Content Count:  13,697
  • Reputation:   2,041
  • Days Won:  45
  • Joined:  09/04/2006
Posted
8 minutes ago, Mike Stuben said:

In the interest of fairness, I am pretty sure USF never made any announcement. It got leaked out that USF was going to hire Masiello, which side leaked it, I have no idea. Forgive me if I am wrong, but that is my memory of what happened. USF did make a contingent offer, and Masiello failed to meet the contingent. (side note, whenever we hire a coach, they never sign a contract right away, first they sign an offer sheet, which has contingencies, that lays out the framework for the contract. Often the contract isn't signed for a while, I remember one instance where it was months)

That debacle may have been a blessing in disguise.  his team took a nose dive after the fiasco:

image.png.6f2d9fccb887712b564f94ee30af9fa8.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TheUpperHand Grand Bull

TheUpperHand

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  44
  • Content Count:  2,034
  • Reputation:   1,409
  • Days Won:  20
  • Joined:  06/29/2007
Posted
36 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

That debacle may have been a blessing in disguise.  his team took a nose dive after the fiasco:

image.png.6f2d9fccb887712b564f94ee30af9fa8.png

Yep, a right proper blessing it was indeed. 😁

image.png.e79624d9e73567aeae49776f533d879d.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bull Dozer Toro Magnifico

Bull Dozer

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  343
  • Content Count:  13,697
  • Reputation:   2,041
  • Days Won:  45
  • Joined:  09/04/2006
Posted
2 hours ago, TheUpperHand said:

Yep, a right proper blessing it was indeed. 😁

image.png.e79624d9e73567aeae49776f533d879d.png

Blessing in disguise.  That pathetic stretch led us to the right place and right time to get a steal in CBG.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BulledOver Toro Magnifico

BulledOver

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  58
  • Content Count:  3,576
  • Reputation:   858
  • Days Won:  6
  • Joined:  08/07/2017
Posted
On 4/6/2019 at 6:42 AM, ForestBull said:

Wait, Orlando Antigua is a dogshit coach? 

that would kinda sum it up...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike Stuben Toro Magnifico

Mike Stuben

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  74
  • Content Count:  2,455
  • Reputation:   1,127
  • Days Won:  19
  • Joined:  04/08/2012
Posted
4 hours ago, TheUpperHand said:

Yep, a right proper blessing it was indeed. 😁

image.png.e79624d9e73567aeae49776f533d879d.png

 

Here is an interesting thing to think about. When you are a school like USF, and you have a head coach opening. You can either go one of 4 routes: 

1. Hire a head coach of a smaller program. (USF Examples: Mark Kingston, Skip Holtz, Bobby Paschal, Seth Greenberg, Willie Taggart, Robert McCollum)

2. Hire a head coach from a bigger program who was fired from the bigger program and currently out of work. (USF Examples: Brian Gregory, Charlie Strong)

3. Promote a current assistant coach to the head coaching position. (USF Examples: Jose Fernandez, Ken Eriksen, Billy Mohl)

4. Hire an assistant coach from a bigger program. (USF Examples: Orlando Antigua, Jim Leavitt)

For the top 4 sports (baseball, M basketball, W basketball, football), one would assume we would be hiring lots of up and coming assistant coaches, but the reality is that Orlando was our last one, and before him, you have to go all the way back to 1995 or 96 when Jim Leavitt was hired. Part of this factor is influenced by Coach Fernandez being here 19 seasons, so no turnover there. But for football and men's basketball, USF has seemed to stay away from those up and coming assistant coaches. 

There is only one hire I can think of that doesn't fit one of those four categories, that was Lelo Prado, who was a head coach of a program that was a step above us, and took the USF job to come home to Tampa. (not saying that the coming home wasn't a factor for Leavitt or Taggart, but they clearly fit one of the categories above.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Basketball Jones Proficient

Basketball Jones

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  66
  • Content Count:  399
  • Reputation:   50
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  02/25/2019
Posted

Imo the four biggest issues that lead to Orlando not working out at USF were:

He hired his brother who turned out to be a cheat.

Injuries to key guys.

Some really bad talent evaluation. This was actually a two-pronged problem.

1. He signed some guys who really weren't good enough to play at this level.

2. He ignored some kids in Florida who were good enough to play at this level.

He was not ready to run a program. Which isn't his fault, Harlan should have recognized that during his interview but he was probably desperate to hire someone.

Orlando Antigua was just the wrong guy for USF to hire.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
bcgruber Toro Magnifico

bcgruber

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  257
  • Content Count:  2,403
  • Reputation:   162
  • Days Won:  5
  • Joined:  03/24/2008
Posted
1 hour ago, Basketball Jones said:

Imo the four biggest issues that lead to Orlando not working out at USF were:

He hired his brother who turned out to be a cheat.

Injuries to key guys.

Some really bad talent evaluation. This was actually a two-pronged problem.

1. He signed some guys who really weren't good enough to play at this level.

2. He ignored some kids in Florida who were good enough to play at this level.

He was not ready to run a program. Which isn't his fault, Harlan should have recognized that during his interview but he was probably desperate to hire someone.

Orlando Antigua was just the wrong guy for USF to hire.

He was also a poor X & O guy

Link to comment
Share on other sites
NewEnglandBull Toro Magnifico

NewEnglandBull

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  1,518
  • Content Count:  42,125
  • Reputation:   8,834
  • Days Won:  344
  • Joined:  11/29/2009
Posted
2 hours ago, Basketball Jones said:

Imo the four biggest issues that lead to Orlando not working out at USF were:

He hired his brother who turned out to be a cheat.

Injuries to key guys.

Some really bad talent evaluation. This was actually a two-pronged problem.

1. He signed some guys who really weren't good enough to play at this level.

2. He ignored some kids in Florida who were good enough to play at this level.

He was not ready to run a program. Which isn't his fault, Harlan should have recognized that during his interview but he was probably desperate to hire someone.

Orlando Antigua was just the wrong guy for USF to hire.

 

1 hour ago, bcgruber said:

He was also a poor X & O guy

Soooooo....he sucked....

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bull Dozer Toro Magnifico

Bull Dozer

Posted
  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  343
  • Content Count:  13,697
  • Reputation:   2,041
  • Days Won:  45
  • Joined:  09/04/2006
Posted
51 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Soooooo....he sucked....

Well, I mean.... 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...

It appears you are using ad blocking tools.  This site is supported through ads.  Please disable in order to enjoy full access to The Bulls Pen.  Registration is free and reduces ads.

Got it!
Dismiss