Bullrush33 Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 85 Content Count: 3,801 Reputation: 788 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2008 Share Posted December 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, puc86 said: If you punched me in the mouth but feel you observe a black eye I would say it’s definitely a construct of your imagination but high pressure situations tend to have the most varied realities so I would expect that. I edited it to say punch you in the eye but you know I mean. Truth is absolute no matter what you feel or believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUTH D. Antagonist Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 155 Content Count: 5,244 Reputation: 331 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/09/2007 Share Posted December 6, 2018 46 minutes ago, puc86 said: “Truth” and “reality” are most certainly constructs and that’s not a millennial belief. There is no omniscient arbitrator directing us as to who or what is right in every subject so we take our best guesses. Things like is there a God? People have their own realities on the subject and I wouldn’t be as bold as to present that I know the definitive truth on the subject. Your reality is created solely by you based on the stimuli that surrounds you, your physical composition and your previous experiences and it most certainly can be changed by changing one of those factors. Let’s say you way 600lbs the reality is it’s impossible to run a mile now let’s say you lose 400 lbs now reality is different to you. Let’s say you lived 200 years ago the reality is getting to Europe from the US in one day is impossible but today that is certainly within reality. So in conclusion reality as you see it may in fact exist but it’s ever changing and we are too biased and lacking in knowledge to ever be able to objectively capture it. very Foucaultian post-modernism here. u know I'm just grabbing your goat, Puc. lol. there is objective reality, then there is perception. & that's all I have to say about that, Jenney. /philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_Bullnard_Shaw Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 55 Content Count: 6,740 Reputation: 1,743 Days Won: 17 Joined: 11/04/2012 Share Posted December 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said: I edited it to say punch you in the eye but you know I mean. Truth is absolute no matter what you feel or believe Maybe in a Newtonian, pre-Einsteinian framework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,249 Reputation: 6,138 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said: I edited it to say punch you in the eye but you know I mean. Truth is absolute no matter what you feel or believe I’ll skip the softball look at objectivity although there will be more disagreement there than you may expect and move to some harder questions. Is there a God? If so what religion is it? Is abortion all good or all bad? Is freedom of speech a good in itself? Should there be a public safety net? If yes what should it be? Should there be free public healthcare? Is CJL a great coach? Did CJL deserve to be fired? Is CWT mediocre? Maybe objective truth and reality can exist but as I stated we aren’t omniscient and we are too biased to find it. We have our constructed reality which we foolishly grasp to as if it’s objective reality because it makes us feel better about the fact that all alone is all we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,249 Reputation: 6,138 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted December 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, TRUTH D. Antagonist said: very Foucaultian post-modernism here. u know I'm just grabbing your goat, Puc. lol. there is objective reality, then there is perception. & that's all I have to say about that, Jenney. /philosophy It doesn’t bother me because I know that this conversation only exists because I created you and it in my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullrush33 Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 85 Content Count: 3,801 Reputation: 788 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2008 Share Posted December 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, puc86 said: I’ll skip the softball look at objectivity although there will be more disagreement there than you may expect and move to some harder questions. Is there a God? If so what religion is it? Is abortion all good or all bad? Is freedom of speech a good in itself? Should there be a public safety net? If yes what should it be? Should there be free public healthcare? Is CJL a great coach? Did CJL deserve to be fired? Is CWT mediocre? Maybe objective truth and reality can exist but as I stated we aren’t omniscient and we are too biased to find it. We have our constructed reality which we foolishly grasp to as if it’s objective reality because it makes us feel better about the fact that all alone is all we are. This why I respect Atheists atleast they are empiricists. You relativists are just lost in your own mental hell. Circular logic is foolishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Admin Topic Count: 13,332 Content Count: 96,987 Reputation: 10,808 Days Won: 469 Joined: 05/19/2000 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Mike Stuben said: This is my personal opinion, but anyone whose donations/ticket buys are contingent on certain people being fired/hired are in it for the wrong reason. Sadly, we need their money too, but I hope for a day when some jackass can say, "I'm not buying seats, unless Coach Johnny is fired." And we can respond, "we are going to miss you, luckily, we have someone li I continued to donate after Leavitt was fired. Although I’ll say it felt horrible. It was not because Leavitt was fired, not a connection to him, but a feeling my institution acted improperly, used an alleged incident to their advantage and wrongfully terminated and carelessly harmed someone they felt they could sacrifice. They also distributed some lies and inaccurate information. Unfortunately, while I still donate, buy tickets, giveaway tickets and support the program, I’ll be happier when I no longer feel the shame of what my school did in its early days - seemingly drunk on the success Leavitt, their target, created. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,249 Reputation: 6,138 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said: This why I respect Atheists atleast they are empiricists. You relativists are just lost in your own mental hell. Circular logic is foolishness. Mental Hell is relative, one person’s mental hell is another person’s mental playground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,610 Content Count: 74,510 Reputation: 10,798 Days Won: 422 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted December 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said: This why I respect Atheists atleast they are empiricists. You relativists are just lost in your own mental hell. Circular logic is foolishness. This has the feel of a Monty Python skit ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted December 6, 2018 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,610 Content Count: 74,510 Reputation: 10,798 Days Won: 422 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted December 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brad said: I’ll be happier when I no longer feel the shame of what my school did in its early days Will that day ever come? It's been 9 years ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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