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[Bull Dozer]

17 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

Herman coached 2 years at Houston.

in his 2nd year he finished 4th in the vaunted AAC West division.

He was setup for success as Houston went 6-2 in the last 8 games before he arrived and won a bowl game against a P5 team.

He caught lightning in a bottle.

 

BTW I could look like an offensive guru under urban Meyer

Pitt was 6-6 and Houston was 7-5 headed into their bowl so it's not exactly something to thump their chest over..  Let's settle down about that P5 bowl win before he got there as it was basically two .500 teams.  They were 21-17 before he got there and went 22-4 over the next two seasons with convincing wins over FSU, Oklahoma, Louisville x2, all while all of those teams were in the top 10.   Also, his career as an offensive star started before OSU.  He's been on the same kind of rise as Taggart, but please keep omitting important information about his career and the circumstances.....  Also, he should get a TON of credit with what he Turned Greg Ward into.....

Pre Urban BTW:

 

Texas State OC/QB Coach

After four seasons at Sam Houston State, Herman joined Texas State as the offensive coordinator in 2005. During his two seasons at Texas State his squad led the Southland Conference in total offense and the 2005 team ranked eighth nationally in scoring. The Bobcats went on to make a deep run in the NCAA in the team's first ever Division I-AA appearance, while Barrick Nealy finished fifth in the voting for the Walter Payton Award (top offensive player in Division I-AA)

Rice OC/QB Coach

In 2007, Herman then followed head coach David Bailiff from Texas State to form the new coaching staff at Rice. Rice ranked in the Top 10 nationally in 2008 in passing offense (5th; 327.8), scoring offense (T8th; 41.6) and total offense (10th; 472.3). Two Rice receivers had more than 1,300 yards receiving that year, tight end James Casey had 111 catches and quarterback Chase Clement was the Conference USA MVP.

 

Iowa State OC/QB Coach

After building one of the nation’s most prolific offenses at Rice, Herman joined Iowa State as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.Herman installed his system and brought new life into the offense.

During his three seasons at Iowa State, the offense improved considerably and broke numerous team and player school records.[citation needed] Iowa State's 52 points in a win over Texas Tech marked the most points put up by the Cyclones against a conference opponent in 38 years. Iowa State quarterback Austen Arnaud ended his career as the Cyclones No. 2 all-time leading passer with 6,777 yards and 42 touchdown passes. His 8,044 yards of total offense is the second-best total in school history. Running back Alexander Robinson finished his Iowa State career as the Cyclones' fourth all-time leading rusher with 3,309 yards.

Edited June 15, 2018 by Bull Dozer

[Bull94]

3 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

Pitt was 6-6 and Houston was 7-5 headed into their bowl so it's not exactly something to thump their chest over..  Let's settle down about that P5 bowl win before he got there as it was basically two .500 teams.  They were 21-17 before he got there and went 22-4 over the next two seasons with convincing wins over FSU, Oklahoma, Louisville x2, all while all of those teams were in the top 10.   Also, his career as an offensive star started before OSU.  He's been on the same kind of rise as Taggart, but please keep omitting important information about his career and the circumstances.....

What you fail to mention is that Greg Ward Jr took over as a starter those last 8 games before herman was hired. They were a completely different team with him as starting QB.He went 6-2 with a bowl win over Pitt.

He then went on to start for both of Herman's years at Houston.He had 4,000 yards of offense and 42 TDs Herman's first year.

[JTrue]

So just to catch up...

• Tom Herman is not a good coach because his winning isn't legit.
• xCWT is a great coach, but doesn't win.

[Apis Bull]

8 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

What you fail to mention is that Greg Ward Jr took over as a starter those last 8 games before herman was hired. They were a completely different team with him as starting QB.He went 6-2 with a bowl win over Pitt.

He then went on to start for both of Herman's years at Houston.He had 4,000 yards of offense and 42 TDs Herman's first year.

What do you say about Flowers and xCWT?

[Bull94]

8 minutes ago, Apis Bull said:

What do you say about Flowers and xCWT?

Taggart ran a top 10 offense at Oregon. He also had 2 RBs at WKU that were top 10 runners in the country. and Taggart recruited Flowers as a QB and designed a top 10 offense around him on a complete dumpster fire of a program when he got here.

 

Herman was like Holtz in that he inherited a good QB and won with him in his first year.

 

Herman is obviously a good coach. I didn't bring up the comparison. Someone else did.

 

A better comparison would have been Frost who brought in his own QB designed an offense around him and totally turned around a program.

 

BTW I think they are all good coaches. I thought it was dumb to compare a 41 year old coach (and resume) still on the rise to a 57 year old coach (and resume) that has peaked.

Edited June 15, 2018 by Bull94

[Bull Dozer]

18 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

What you fail to mention is that Greg Ward Jr took over as a starter those last 8 games before herman was hired. They were a completely different team with him as starting QB.He went 6-2 with a bowl win over Pitt.

He then went on to start for both of Herman's years at Houston.He had 4,000 yards of offense and 42 TDs Herman's first year.

A huge spike in production because, wait for it, Herman is a Brilliant offensive mind who has had uber productive offenses and QB's at his previous stops.   Or you can take Ward's word for it...... 

"Now I can tell how blitzes are coming because of a front or what the safeties are giving me," he says. "I wasn't really dialed in before [Herman and Applewhite] came."  

But nah definitely just lightning in a bottle and not a guy who has been **** good at his job at every stop

[Bull94]

12 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

A huge spike in production because, wait for it, Herman is a Brilliant offensive mind who has had uber productive offenses and QB's at his previous stops.   Or you can take Ward's word for it...... 

"Now I can tell how blitzes are coming because of a front or what the safeties are giving me," he says. "I wasn't really dialed in before [Herman and Applewhite] came."  

But nah definitely just lightning in a bottle and not a guy who has been **** good at his job at every stop

Huge spike in production? His QBR was 141.2 the year before they arrived. It was 141.7 his senior year.

he averaged 4.9 ypc the year before and 2.9ypc his senior year. 7.6 ypa passing year before. 7.6 ypa passing senior year.

TD:INT ratio 1.71 the year before. 1.69 senior year. comp % 67.3 the year before 68% senior year

 

his splits were almost identical. if anything he was a far less effective runner his senior year.

Edited June 15, 2018 by Bull94

[puc86]

So if you just remove anything that has to do with winning and replace those metrics with who has the least age xCWT is the greatest coach of all time?

[Bull Dozer]

15 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

Huge spike in production? His QBR was 141.2 the year before they arrived. It was 141.7 his senior year.

he averaged 4.9 ypc the year before and 2.9ypc his senior year. 7.6 ypa passing year before. 7.6 ypa passing senior year.

TD:INT ratio 1.71 the year before. 1.69 senior year. comp % 67.3 the year before 68% senior year

Awfully nice cherries you've picked there! Are we pretending 2015 didn't happen in this alternate dimension?  Here's the complete picture of his 1 season with Lavine and the two under Herman.   Look at his improvement as a passer  during Herman's tenure.   His most efficient year by far was under Herman, who has a proven track record at this whole coaching QB's thing.  Not to mention he got dinged up quite a bit during his senior year which greatly reduced his rushing production and overall efficiency.    Also, *insert obligatory TBP QBr Joke here*  

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
*2013	Houston	American	FR	QB	10	19	29	65.5	310	10.7	11.4	1	0	166.7
*2014	Houston	American	SO	QB	13	177	263	67.3	2010	7.6	7.4	12	7	141.2
*2015	Houston	American	JR	QB	14	231	345	67.0	2827	8.2	8.4	17	6	148.6
*2016	Houston	American	SR	QB	12	319	469	68.0	3557	7.6	7.3	22	13	141.7

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
*2013	Houston	American	FR	QB	10	45	176	3.9	2	10	95	9.5	1	55	271	4.9	3
*2014	Houston	American	SO	QB	13	118	573	4.9	6	15	139	9.3	1	133	712	5.4	7
*2015	Houston	American	JR	QB	14	197	1114	5.7	21	0	0		0	197	1114	5.7	21
*2016	Houston	American	SR	QB	12	197	518	2.6	10	0	-6		0	197	512	2.6	10

Edited June 15, 2018 by Bull Dozer

[Rizman]

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