Well now that all of the fun topics have...

[JTrue]

4 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said:

The man knew how to bring it...

He owned over 600 people during his life. He did very little bringing on his own.

[NewEnglandBull]

2 minutes ago, JTrue said:

He owned over 600 people during his life. He did very little bringing on his own.

That’s only one perspective of the most contradictory founding father. Although he failed socially (and that can be argued against from the perspective of his times), his intellect is non debatable. 

[JTrue]

Just now, NewEnglandBull said:

That’s only one perspective of the most contradictory founding father. Although he failed socially (and that can be argued against from the perspective of his times), his intellect is non debatable. 

His intellect was incredible. But most of his intellectual work the average person is familiar with was built on the backs of others, too.

[NCBull]

14 minutes ago, JTrue said:

His intellect was incredible. But most of his intellectual work the average person is familiar with was built on the backs of others, too.

I’m a George Mason fan myself.  The man, that is (not the university).

[NewEnglandBull]

14 minutes ago, JTrue said:

His intellect was incredible. But most of his intellectual work the average person is familiar with was built on the backs of others, too.

Some perhaps. Without question, based on his writings, TJ knew owning leaves was wrong. However, he had no choice but continue the ugly practice as he was always in debt (one author said he had compulsion to buy like a gambler likes to bet and it was a psychological issue with him). I also don’t think, even if he could have controlled his spending, Jefferson had the stomach to be a trend setter relative to slavery.

I wonder what he would have thought of the faux ucf Championshilp LOL!

[NewEnglandBull]

6 minutes ago, NCBull said:

I’m a George Mason fan myself.  The man, that is (not the university).

One of better yet lest known founders...showed some stones by not signing the constitution. Incidentally, my daughter is looking at this school if USF does not come through. 

Edited January 4, 2018 by NewEnglandBull

[JTrue]

7 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Some perhaps. Without question, based on his writings, TJ knew owning leaves was wrong. However, he had no choice but continue the ugly practice as he was always in debt (one author said he had compulsion to buy like a gambler likes to bet and it was a psychological issue with him). I also don’t think, even if he could have controlled his spending, Jefferson had the stomach to be a trend setter relative to slavery.

I wonder what he would have thought of the faux ucf Championshilp LOL!

He'd have loved it. As he says in the DOI (lifted from Jonathan Mayhew's work), whenever you've been subjected to a long line of abuses from your leadership, it is your God given right to alter or abolish it. Since the CFP (like King George) isn't about to bend to the will of the non-P5 colonists, **** em. 

Edited January 4, 2018 by JTrue

[JTrue]

11 minutes ago, NCBull said:

I’m a George Mason fan myself.  The man, that is (not the university).

He's no Button Gwinnett.

[NewEnglandBull]

11 minutes ago, JTrue said:

He'd have loved it. As he says in the DOI (lifted from Jonathan Mayhew's work), whenever you've been subjected to a long line of abuses from your leadership, it is your God given right to alter or abolish it. Since the CFP (like King George) isn't about to bend to the will of the non-P5 colonists, **** em. 

Very nice! 

[GaUSFBull]

1 hour ago, JTrue said:

He's no Button Gwinnett.

I live in Gwinnett County here.  They almost named the Braves Triple A team the Gwinnett Buttons.