Bull Dozer Posted July 14, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 343 Content Count: 13,697 Reputation: 2,041 Days Won: 45 Joined: 09/04/2006 Share Posted July 14, 2016 9 hours ago, Ricky the Bull said: Spot on. xCSH never made adjustments to his staff that needed to be made due to his loyalty to them. This is underscored by the fact that no assistant that he had here is on staff at LaTech (that I can tell, anyway). Hopefully, that is a lesson learned and he is successful moving forward. What I hate is what that teaching point cost our program. He actually just hired offensive genius Todd Fitch a few months back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaUSFBull Posted July 14, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 263 Content Count: 24,750 Reputation: 3,107 Days Won: 87 Joined: 12/15/2009 Share Posted July 14, 2016 20 hours ago, JTrue said: Can't we just say Holtz failed and move along without making up things to hate him for? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotsofbull99 Posted July 14, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 114 Content Count: 6,743 Reputation: 912 Days Won: 17 Joined: 02/17/2002 Share Posted July 14, 2016 1 hour ago, mark_my_words said: If only Bench had another year of eligibility. Yeah, Bench got invited to the Buc's camp, epic failure to develop that talent by CWT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTrue Posted July 14, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 152 Content Count: 19,395 Reputation: 6,097 Days Won: 233 Joined: 01/13/2011 Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said: He actually just hired offensive genius Todd Fitch a few months back. And why wouldn't he? He needs all the help he can get to run an offense. If you need proof, just compare his team's output last year to CWT's and you'll see the difference between a complete failure and an offensive guru. Edited July 14, 2016 by JTrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUpperHand Posted July 14, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 44 Content Count: 2,034 Reputation: 1,409 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/29/2007 Share Posted July 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, JTrue said: And why wouldn't he? He needs all the help he can get to run an offense. If you need proof, just compare his team's output last year to CWT's and you'll see the difference between a complete failure and an offensive guru. That's because CWT has TheBullsPen as his offensive coordinator. Holtz is no longer afforded that privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaUSFBull Posted July 14, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 263 Content Count: 24,750 Reputation: 3,107 Days Won: 87 Joined: 12/15/2009 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I've come around to believe Holtz' failure was a combination of not recruiting talented-enough players to compete in the Big East, plus some serious game management and game preparation ineptitude. I can't explain why Holtz had success at lower levels - maybe he was Peter Principle'd here. I don't know. And I can't explain why he couldn't recruit talented players. Our average GPA for the team went up - maybe that was the goal, and talent was sacrificed for academic success. Who the hell knows. Like I've said before, I don't hate the guy, but I'm certainly glad he's no longer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Bull Posted July 14, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 148 Content Count: 5,900 Reputation: 628 Days Won: 5 Joined: 09/02/2007 Share Posted July 14, 2016 20 hours ago, JTrue said: Can't we just say Holtz failed and move along without making up things to hate him for? You said it was because he should have brought in proven coaches from BCS schools. You know CWT has a staff that's 90% Western Kentucky or high school, right? And they're all his buddies. Holtz was walking into a top 35ish program in a BCS conference and was expected to break through the "plateau" an have us consistently in the top 25. There was a BCS level staff here. He let all of them go except the 3 lowest paid and brought in his guys for a huge salary bump. Taggart walked into a dumpster fire at the bottom of a bad conference. Also, if I recall, while a lot of his guys were from WKU, they also had been with him at Stanford or had coached at a higher level, or, were recommended to him by Harbaugh (a very successful and experienced coach some may say). I think he did have some of his own guys, but, he also fired them when things started going south and has shown some ability to adapt and a lot of ability to recruit. I don't have to "make up" a reason to hate Holtz. I can tell you exactly when it happened... We're playing Miami, not too far behind, going into half time in scoring position. He has two (?) timeouts and he is watching the clock tick down while laughing on the sidelines. Finally calls a timeout and kick the FG on 2nd or 3rd down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMW Posted July 14, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 39 Content Count: 2,106 Reputation: 909 Days Won: 6 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted July 14, 2016 10 hours ago, lotsofbull99 said: Yeah, Bench got invited to the Buc's camp, epic failure to develop that talent by CWT. LOL oh you were serious about AW (and Bench) not getting a fair shot. I thought you were being snarky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny_gimli Posted July 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 13 Content Count: 144 Reputation: 100 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/12/2013 Share Posted July 15, 2016 CSH would have landed Ironside... Instead we're stuck with this "three headed monster". #fireCWT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorcj Posted July 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 8,878 Reputation: 1,266 Days Won: 28 Joined: 07/12/2013 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 hours ago, mark_my_words said: LOL oh you were serious about AW (and Bench) not getting a fair shot. I thought you were being snarky. Stick with your gut mmw. The name tells you all you need to know about his intent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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