The three-headed trio of Quinton Flowers, Marlon Mack, and Rodney Adams is arguably the best in the country

[JTrue]

7 hours ago, Paisa el Toro said:

As stupid as this is going to sound, it makes me ecstatic that our S&C coach is tracking this season over season. Holtz's old S&C coach, Golden, didn't bother tracking. Piss poor recruiting locally and really inefficient S&C did us in.

Didn't we argue over this a couple years ago when our players were setting new personal bests in the weight room? Doesn't that imply they were being tracked? Or was just lifting something once enough to count as a personal best when you have nothing to go by?

[Paisa el Toro]

11 hours ago, JTrue said:

Didn't we argue over this a couple years ago when our players were setting new personal bests in the weight room? Doesn't that imply they were being tracked? Or was just lifting something once enough to count as a personal best when you have nothing to go by?

I don't think Golden tracked the players' 40-times. Personal bests in the weight room, he did. It was an odd, dark time for USF football.

Edited July 12, 2016 by Paisa el Toro

[Bull Dozer]

20 hours ago, Calibull said:

I don't know... I'm looking at Coach Carnes instagram of the guys lifting... and there are some elite level lifts going on by guys I didn't expect.  Guys from skilled positions power cleaning more than 300 pounds.  Cecil Cherry power cleaned 365 lbs... I lift... I've power lifted... that is impressive weight.  Dillon power cleaning 335... Also guys clocking faster times in the 40.  There is something serious going on behind the scenes at USF that I don't think are being factored in.  This team to me looks poised to make a jump.  The base of any program in S&C... what is going on at USF is they have developed an elite level S&C program.  That's the one thing I've really followed this offseason and I am totally impressed.  I mean I'm actually pretty blown away.

It's speaks to the program's  culture in place at that time. A former player, and starter, referred to it being like having a substitute teacher. Nobody was being held accountable for anything..... 

[BDYZR]

21 hours ago, TheUpperHand said:

Great point. S&C arguable underrated by the average fan.

Drives me nuts when we lose a game in the 4th because they're in better shape than we are. Especially here, where we're supposed to have an advantage.

[Triple B]

3 hours ago, Bull Dozer said:

It's speaks to the program's  culture in place at that time. A former player, and starter, referred to it being like having a substitute teacher. Nobody was being held accountable for anything..... 

The question is, where was the program's culture actually coming from at that time? Holtz has a winning record as a head coach at his other 3 stops. Were the assistants he had here that much worse than his other staffs when it came to accountability?

[Paisa el Toro]

4 minutes ago, Triple B said:

The question is, where was the program's culture actually coming from at that time? Holtz has a winning record as a head coach at his other 3 stops. Were the assistants he had here that much worse than his other staffs when it came to accountability?

All speculation on my part, but I think he had terrible assistants here. Holtz isn't a particularly strong coach, and he's a great "figurehead." He pooped the bed, while here, and I think he banked on his last name getting him much better responses from local recruits.

[Brad]

Not Holtz ....

[Calibull]

7 hours ago, Paisa el Toro said:

All speculation on my part, but I think he had terrible assistants here. Holtz isn't a particularly strong coach, and he's a great "figurehead." He pooped the bed, while here, and I think he banked on his last name getting him much better responses from local recruits.

The only reason he got the job was because of his last name.  I hate that guy

Edited July 13, 2016 by Calibull

[raptorcj]

8 hours ago, Paisa el Toro said:

All speculation on my part, but I think he had terrible assistants here. Holtz isn't a particularly strong coach, and he's a great "figurehead." He pooped the bed, while here, and I think he banked on his last name getting him much better responses from local recruits.

Yeah, but I think the speculation is somewhat founded. He wasn't a terrible coach, but floundered with recruiting talent here and with game planning/game adjusting. The latter became clear to me with the turtle-ball we played several times only to lose to the hungrier team in the end. Except ND, which I'll always appreciate him for. But IMO if it weren't for BJD, I'm not sure CSH would have lasted as long as he did--FL just not his niche. 

[Triple B]

10 hours ago, Paisa el Toro said:

All speculation on my part, but I think he had terrible assistants here. Holtz isn't a particularly strong coach, and he's a great "figurehead." He pooped the bed, while here, and I think he banked on his last name getting him much better responses from local recruits.

 

2 hours ago, Calibull said:

The only reason he got the job was because of his last name.  I hate that guy

Yeah, that was the only reason ......