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Hi Guest,

Just a note to point out our TBP-initiated drive to raise funds for the Bulls Football IPF - doing our share, and more.  Please consider donating at least $23 to the effort, and passing on to others as well.  You can read more about the project at the link above.

Go Bulls!

Thank you,

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Brad Brad

Hi Guest,

In our efforts to raise funds for USF Football, the site is giving away a football season full of ad-free surfing at The Bulls Pen.

Would you consider buying a ticket or two to the raffle that will award this to you or a fellow member of the board?

Each ticket purchase goes directly to our effort to raise $10K in "fan money" for the program.  Below is the link:

The Bulls Pen Ad-free Raffle in support of USF Football

Thank you,

Brad Brad

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  1. [Correction for Typos] OK...how large is the stadium where fans can watch your cross country team, and how much do you charge for a ticket. Same question for sailing, tennis, soccer, Track & Field, and golf. If the ticket price x the number tickets sold for each sport does not equal several hundred thousand dollars for the cheaper sports...and over $1 million for the more expensive sports, they are losing money.
  2. OK...how large is the stadium where fans can watch your cross country team, and how much do you charge for a ticket. Same question for sailing, tennis, soccer, Track & Field, cross country and golf. If the number of fans x the number tickets sold for each sport does not equal several hundred thousand dollars for the cheaper sports...and over $1 million for the more expensive sports, they are losing money.
  3. So...USF's Tennis, Golf, Softball, Track & Field, Cross Country, Sailing and Soccer teams all make enough money from their own ticket sales to pay all the expenses of those teams??? Not a chance!
  4. You're completely clueless. Among the sports that produce ZERO revenue are... Rowing Mens & Women's Tennis Men's & Women's Golf Women's Cross Country Women's Track & Field (Both indoor and outdoor seasons) Cheer/Dance Team Sports that make a little bit of money on their own ticket sales, but still not enough to pay for the programs... Women's Basketball Men's & Women's Soccer Women's Softball That's TWELVE sports that depend on profit from football to at least pay part of their expenses.
  5. Nowhere did I ever claim that UCF made a total profit of $35 million per season. If you added up all of the REVENUE (not profit) from the categories you asked about, it comes to approximately $21.478 million based on actual numbers from UCF's reports and estimates of things not directly addressed in UCF's reports. See below for details... UCF Athletics Ticket Revenue: $5.08 million (My 2018 estimate if all seats were sold at the 2018 season ticket price, not including the donation. The $3.678 million of ticket sales reported on the Stadium Corporation Financial Statement...ticket revenue received from UCF Athletics Association) is from the 2017 football season which had a lower average attendance) UCF Athletics Revenue from mandatory donations for season tickets: $5.633 Million (My 2018 estimate, not including the ticket price, if all seats were sold at the 2018 required donation) UCF Stadium Corporation Revenue from Tower Suites: $1.938 million (From the Stadium Corporation Financial Statement for the 2017 season) UCF Field Cabanas: $204,000 (My estimate) Spectrum Stadium naming Rights: $960,000 (From the Stadium Corporation Financial Statement for the 2017 season) Other Sponsorship Income: $234,000 (From the Stadium Corporation Financial Statement for the 2017 season) Conference Distribution: $7.429 million (For the 2017 season as reported by the Orlando Sentinel)
  6. First, I never claimed that all of our revenue was profit. UCF's AD, Danny White never claimed that either. In response to UCF's reluctance to schedule 2-for-1 football series, Danny White has made two statements (that I am aware of) about how much money a home game is worth. In at least one of those two cases, he used the word "revenue" (which means money taken in)...not the word "make" or "profit" (which would would usually mean a NET gain). Also, why in the world are you equating the change in NET position for an ENTIRE athletic department, with the profit made in a SINGLE sport (football)?!?!?!?!?
  7. [Correction for Typo] This discussion branched off into two different directions. People were initially questioning UCF's claims of making between $2 million and $3 million in revenue per game as part of the discussion why UCF does not want to play 2-for-1 series. I have the data that shows the 2018 revenue probably was at least $2 million per game, which is in complete alignment with the Crowe, LLC report that Puc likes to misquote. The discussion with Meeps veered off into whether owning or renting a stadium was better, and I have not studied that data, so I have not weighed in on that discussion.
  8. This discussion branched off into two different directions. People were initially questioning UCF's claims of making between $2 million and $3 million in revenue per year as part of the discussion why UCF does not want to play 2-for-1 series. I have the data that shows the 2018 revenue probably was at least $2 million per game, which is in complete alignment with the Crowe, LLC report that Puc likes to misquote. The discussion with Meeps veered off into whether owning or renting a stadium was better, and I have not studied that data, so I have not weighed in on that discussion.
  9. Crowe, LLC actually understands simple concepts. You apparently don't. The information I am providing is COMPLETELY compatible with the information Crowe, LLC reported. You still don't understand the simple concept that the Stadium Corporation only represents a small portion of the revenue generated for each game. And, you still don't understand that the ticket revenue reported for the Athletics Association also only represent a portion of the revenue generated for each game.
  10. Since it is so hard for your program to sell tickets, maybe you don't require donations to sit in any sections of your rental stadium. I have already proven mathematically that UCF received about $2 million PER GAME in 2018 just from the ticket price AND required donation for season tickets. It's not my fault if you all are not good enough at math to understand it. The required donation is included because those donations would not be received if they were not required to purchase the tickets. Therefore they are revenue that is DIRECTLY attributable to our home football games. In many cases, the required donation is significantly higher than the ticket price. In the seven Tower Club sections, the $1,500 per seat donation was $1,250 more than the $250 ticket price. In four other sections, the $800 per seat donation was $550 more than the $250 ticket price. In another five sections, the $550 per seat donation was $300 more than the $250 ticket price. In the eight Carl B&G Cabana sections, the $300 per seat donation was $100 more than the ticket price. There are 25 other sections that required a donation anywhere between $21 and $150 for every seat. THAT is how you get total revenue that is generated for each football game significantly higher than the "ticket revenue" shown in the reports. Once again...sit down...you have been schooled!
  11. You guys can keep burying your head in the sand and singing lalalalala to yourselves all day long. It won't change the facts. You're either ignorantly (or intentionally) misquoting "facts" to try and support a position that simply is not supportable. You will notice on page 3 of the Stadium corporation report that it says "The deficit net position will improve in future years as the Corporations continues to reduce it's outstanding long term debt obligations with the pledged revenue from the [UCF Athletics] Association." That by itself is proof that revenue from ticket sales goes to the association, and a part of that ticket revenue is funneled to the Corporation (only as required) to meet debt obligations and pay down the debt. As further proof that the stadium corporation revenue is specifically from suites and the sponsorship agreement (not general ticket sales), you will also notice on page 5 it states "Operating revenue consists primarily of revenues related to the rights granted to donors in connection with luxury suites and club seats located within the stadium, as well as revenues related to the Corporation's sponsorship agreement with Spectrum, formerly known as Bright House Networks." Sit down...you have been schooled!
  12. Typical Cow fan. Take incomplete information and use it to come up with an incorrect conclusion. Interesting how the income from the tower suites ($120K per suite per year) and the stadium naming rights ($750K - $800K per year) alone equals the "operating revenues" of about $3.6 million last year. Ticket revenue, advertising revenue, and concession revenue are not listed under the stadium corp. It's ridiculous how easy it is to blow holes in your weak arguments!
  13. That is not factually correct. There is ZERO basis for making that claim.
  14. One point being that Danny White is absolutely accurate when he says that UCF makes "$2 million - $3 million per game" which most USF fans seem to refuse to believe. As for the "profit" after expenses, at 2007 ticket prices when the stadium opened, paid (non suite) attendance of about 24,000 per game is what was necessary to pay the debt service on the stadium. The 9,000 remaining seats were the profit opportunity. At that time, the Tower Suites and Tower Club (750 stadium seats) were the only premium seating in the entire stadium. We now have thousands of additional seats converted to higher priced premium seating. There is ZERO doubt that UCF is making a nice profit from our OCS.
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