SpeedBull

Double thumbs down on the gold pants for me too. It’s a bad look.

2 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Objective is looking at this as a marathon, not a sprint. Let's revisit a couple of years from now .....

My thoughts exactly.

6 minutes ago, TromBull12 said:

I believe the jersey sales, commercials, brand recognition, sold out games, etc. are way more than just hype. I don't know why some of you have such a hard time with Dion's personality. He's thanking God every other sentence. He's allowed to be confident, he's earned it. Just because he's not soft spoken and kissing the rings of the football elite as he tiptoes around acting like being the coach of a D1 program is his dream come true, doesn't mean he's not a good coach. 

I'm REALLY trying to understand where the hate comes from. I have an idea, but I'm really trying to give some of you the benefit of the doubt. He's not Lovey or Dungie, but he's no Terrell Owens either (assuming y'all felt the same way about him) y. He chose not to come here, it hurt me too, but I don't hate him for it. 

All we had on our schedule to prove his team was as good as advertised was Alabama. When he really wins at Colorado in the next year or two, there is no "he's just out talenting weaker opponents." Which I'm sure people can and will say if we end up with a really good win loss record (assuming anyone in their right mind wanted to defend FCJS).

If/ when we win the conference without going through those pee colored people to our south, people can and will have the same counter argument. Coach Prime needed a place with  equal footing, immediately, to shut up the critics. He can't simply buy talent and win at Colorado. He needs depth, great coaching, and talent to even begin to be successful. One can argue he's already turned the football world upside down even at 3-2 so far. Simply by not being 0-5 with a team that was 1-11 last year,  and knocking off a ranked opponent and being competitive with another (definitely not Oregon). None of that points to a guy who can't coach. 

If money could do it, there's no way FSU, LSU, Alabama, Texas, Florida,  etc. would ever not have a winning season. They throw money at EVERYTHING in their football world and obviously don't always experience success. 

Just admit that y'all are angry for whatever reason and not looking at this objectively. Coach Prime really can coach and we didn't land him. That doesn't take anything away from Coach Golesh. I hope he is the guy who will be everything that I wanted CWT to be. 

I’ve never said I hate Deion. I wanted him to come here in full disclosure. I’m a Christian and I appreciate him giving glory to God.

Jersey sales etc…it’s all temporary. Assuming he’s successful at CU, he will jump ship.

When he does, they will be irrelevant again.

I remember the last time CU was relevant. It was the early 90s when they had Kordell Stewart, Rahsaan Sallam etc. I loved that team.

I am not hating on Deion, I’m more excited about Golesh.

I don’t care about temporary hype.

5 minutes ago, puc86 said:

No, changing your position makes you transformative. They have switched conferences, sold out stadiums, revamped their entire roster with higher talent and yes gained more national attention. Those are in fact the only things that make a difference to a programs success. We beat two teams that Colorado would have beaten by a thousand while they lost to two teams that would have beaten us by a thousand. There is absolutely no comparison and no one can seriously be making this argument in good faith. CAG is way better than CJS, that’s what matters now and not trying to make up and defend nonsensical silliness just for fun.

I wonder how “transformative” Jackson State fans think he is.

They are 3rd place in the SWAC East and gave up 77 point’s yesterday.

3 minutes ago, puc86 said:

You are allowed to be wrong, the market has already spoken on their values and the values they are bringing to their programs. The rosters would be entirely different, the nationals attention would be entirely different and the money coming into the programs would be entirely different. CAG is a good hire but you can’t be transformative if the only people that know it are the exact same people that were already here.

So your definition of “transformative” is hype?

20 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I am giving him credit but he is not a transformative figure, money and prestige are every bit as important as winning as they help you live another day. I’m not sure we should worry about any coach beyond 3 years at a time so I don’t think longevity should play too much of a determining part of the hiring process. With prime we would be in a better position today in every regard, that’s really all that matters.

I disagree with almost all of this. He is absolutely a transformative figure. He’s already transformed this program.

I’m pretty sure that most people on this board have said that “winning is all that matters” for years.

To completely disregard the idea that a coach may bring longevity to our program is another pessimistic take. There have been enough Willie Taggarts and Scott Frosts out there that may start to have coaches at Mid-Majors thinking differently.

With “Prime” we absolutely would not be in a better position today. With Deion, you could absolutely rest assured that he’d jump ship at the next better opportunity. How is that better today?

“Today is all that matters?”. Disagree.

Every season matters. Tradition is built over time. In this modern era, it can happen more quickly. But not in one day or one season.

I will take Golesh over Deion 100%.

4 minutes ago, USFBulls12 said:

Loved this, it made me feel hyped up reading it. Thanks!  

Thank you. That make me feel hyped!! LFG!!!!

45 minutes ago, olafberserker said:

Isn't this thread about our new Coach Golesh?

It’s supposed to be.

It’s hard to argue with any skepticism, pessimism and the “show me the wins and I’ll believe” type of attitudes on here. It’s all definitely warranted.

But only similarities that I see with xCJS is the fact that he has no head coaching experience.

His path has been completely different. He has coached all sides of the ball. He’s a self-made guy that has had an impressive upward trajectory all on winning teams. Teams like Iowa State that nobody even talked about a few years ago. Tennessee has been a non-factor for years before they got there and I think his time at UCF is a big deal too.

I’m guilty of being an optimist by nature, but this guy seems different to me. There is a big difference between building programs and slapping a USF logo on a Clemson binder.

Coach Golesh just keeps on impressing me. I’ve not been this excited in a while. His interview on Jim Rome was great.

This guy has a swagger and confidence that I’ve not seen around here. It’s not BS. He seems incredibly prepared and ready for this challenge.

I love that he has a pulse on USF football history. He mentioned Jim Leavitt by name and acknowledged his importance in the program’s history.

We may finally have the guy to get us back on track.

GO BULLS!!!

49 minutes ago, MaltLiquorBull said:

I was kind of happy that he didn't come off as a public relations wiz.  The last guy was a great PR dude, but it didn't translate into wins, and when things got bad, he looked clueless on the sidelines.  Kind of reminded me of Holtz.  Great public speaker, but when things got bad, he was deer-in-the-headlights.  I'm fine if this guy doesn't have that PR talent--as long as he can coach football and win games.  We'll see.

I agree with this. It’s why he reminds me of a young Leavitt. Not real polished. He’s a coach, he’s a recruiter. By all indications he’s a hard worker that relates to and motivates his players.

Think of every coach since Leavitt….none of them fit these descriptions. They all had some elements of BS associated with them. Other than Charlie Strong. He was just completely lacking in enthusiasm, energy and charisma.

12 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

I definitely like the guy and I think he will get after it more than Scott.  Is that enough?  

I think it’s a start. If his career path keeps the same trajectory he will get USF back on track and then jump to a bigger program in a few years and I’ll be completely fine with that.

4 minutes ago, thekidnapper said:

Was just reading a CBS coaching hire grading article that gave him a D (I'll add a screenshot). They laid out the reasons he'll probably be great and then noted our irrelevance. The media is so often terrible with these predictions that I'm guessing we go undefeated. He also seems to be a good guy with some fire. Fingers crossed.

That D grade may be a bit harsh but not completely out of line. He’s basically guilty until proven innocent at this point. He’s taking over a program that’s been reduced to nearly complete irrelevance. And he has not been a head coach yet. Neither was Josh Heupal (sp?) before they went to UCF together.

The big difference to me between Golesh and Jeff Scott is their experience and lineage. Scott was all Clemson. Started out as a graduate assistant, put his time in and climbed the “company ladder”.

Gloesh was constantly earning better opportunities at different programs in different positions and winning all along the way.

He has a tall task in front of him to be sure. But I have a feeling this is classic example of “preparedness meeting opportunity”.

12 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

But Grothe was the QB when USF was the best, won the most significant games (outside of BJD?), and set the Big East record.  Just sayin.  I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison.  

All due respect to Q and BJ….Grothe is  the GOAT USF QB.

5 minutes ago, puc86 said:

They are the only adidas uniforms that are not pret a porter hot garbage that were purchased off the sale rack of a century 21. 

Huh?

I think the unis have all been pretty sweet this year….EXCEPT the SoFlo gear. I don’t like any of them.

28 minutes ago, TromBull12 said:

We put up a decent half against the gators. If we come out executing like we did last night it'll be a fun game to watch. 

As for the quarterback thing, I felt the same way after BJ Daniels, then we seen flashes of greatness with Q and then boom, the rest is history. I see a whole lot of upside with McClain, he's exciting, and he throws a really good ball. 

I'm willing to tune in just to see what he is capable of and the growth he makes. I feel like we have found our guy and just like any mobile quarterback he'll learn when to take the hit and when to throw it away or slide. 

I agree with this. Some QBs just have that “it” factor. McClain feels like a left handed Q. Same number 9 and he’s just got an electric quality to him. Very athletic, a lively arm….he’s just fun to watch.

As USF fans let’s embrace a kid that’s just fun to watch. He’s a freshman and for all we know can be the next legendary USF QB following in the footsteps of Blackwell, Grothe, Daniels, and Flowers.

I for one woke up much happier today. I don’t care that it was against FAMU.

GO BULLS!

11 minutes ago, Roaming Bull said:

OCS gets alumni back on campus, so it possibly boosts engagement. I think that leads to a virtuous cycle, of engagement, giving, and more importantly giving a ****. We don’t get folks on campus, no one has an attachment to the glazer bowl and we fail to connect with a lot of folks after they graduate. Would having an OCS help…. Maybe

This is what I’ve been saying too. I am an alum and I could not give a crap about Ray Jay. When I go back to the campus it definitely boosts engagement. I will go watch soccer with my kids and you “feel” something by being there.

I will never, ever, accept the notion that we would not be better off had we built an OCS.

I’m not saying we’d be in a bigger, better conference. But we would be relevant amongst the student body and alumni. USF Football is no longer relevant…it’s not been in a long time. And that is a complete shame and failure.

8 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I’m not trying to fire anyone, I don’t like constant flux and I hate paying people to not do a job which has been our standard practice. What I do take exception to is anyone believing there is even a second of time that you do not have the power to make improvements in your situation when you have been given full control. When things are in a horrible position that’s the easiest time to figure out what you can do better and that they have yet to find and implement the first improvement is entirely on them. One home run recruit, a single position group looking better than they did 2 years ago, a scheme that is able to demonstrate execution by the people you have and not the people you would like to have would have everyone sing a different tune. You fired a bunch of players, you brought in a bunch of players, you claim to see players really getting the schemes but the end result is 45-0

I can’t disagree with any of this. The continuous slide through mediocrity to the current landing place of near complete irrelevance has been maddening. 

59 minutes ago, USFsKnightmare18 said:

The self-loathing and pity party on this board is ridiculous. As a UCF fan, I would have loved nothing more for USF to join UCF in a Power 5 conference to see these two programs grow together and continue their rivalry, but rivalry's only matter when both teams actually try, and USF hasn't tried in many, many years. No money has been invested in their football program and it shows and sadly, it's probably too late at this point as the college football landscape is changing, and USF probably doesn't have the 10+ years it will take to grow their program when everyone else is going to be adjusting as well. 

One other thing: I still find it amazing and hilarious that USF fans (especially ones on this board) still give UCF crap about their football stadium. No, it's not some modern day marvel, it's not the nicest stadium ever constructed, but you know what? It doesn't matter, and it never mattered. Very few people I'm sure ever sat in the stands thinking "wow I wish this stadium had chairs instead of benches" or "I wish it had some of those expensive suites for insanely rich people." The 50 million dollars UCF invested for on campus football was the single most important catalyst as to why UCF's program took off. It allowed students, fans, and most importantly alumni to be on the campus and see the growth first hand. It created a sense of community having it on our campus which means more donations to the college. That's a big part of the reason why the gameday experience is so incredible there. Say what you want, but that rust bucket, pop up stadium will be hosting Big 12 football in a couple of years, and USF will have been left behind. 

Drop the mic ….perfect post.

It’s crazy to me that there are still people here that seem to think an OCS has little to nothing to with building a program.

39 minutes ago, puc86 said:

The only person Steve has ever taken issue with and thought should be fired was CJL, you seriously cannot make this stuff up

Interesting….well I’m not condoning the firing of Scott or Kelly….but to “do nothing because it’s a long term process” is absolutely absurd.
 

33 minutes ago, smazza said:

do nothing-stay the course.......keep teaching and keep coaching and keep recruiting 

this is a long term project

no one should get fired 

I hope this is sarcasm

1 minute ago, Mission9 said:

Was merely pointing out the fact that I felt that a winning team against a very good opponent was more important. 

Actually, I am more partial to the  2006 game because that was a big upset which I did not see coming.  I thought the guys could disrupt what was a great offense but was still shocked they won.  2007 I expected USF to win. 

Winning against better opponents would be great. I hope we can get back to that point again. But at this point I don’t care who it is…I just want us to win regularly again.

The reference to the 2007 WVU game was more about the argument that some still make that Ray Jay is good home stadium for the Bulls.