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Firing a coach before he burns your program to the ground, when all of the signs are there isn't being "fantasy based", its about showing proactive leadership - coaches do get fired after 2 years in football and they do get fired after 4 years in basketball. The bottom line here is that USF is fine taking a measured approach to how they performance manage their leaders and will give them every opportunity to succeed or fail. Sometimes that patience pays off (CWT) and sometimes it doesn't (CCS). But as USF sinks further into intercollegiate irrelevance, they are going to have to figure out a plan that's different than everyone else, because they sure as hell can't execute on it better than their peers.

If they were leaving to test free agency then I would agree, but most of the transfers are leaving due to racist comments by Herrion and Gregory's failure to hold him accountable in the eyes of the players. Throw in that this same coaching staff hasn't been able to field a competitive team in conference in 4 years, and I'm not sure what other horrific things you would need to happen to the program to consider it a sinking ship.

Yes, because asking a football coach to coach and recruit and not just cash paychecks while he waits for a better job is unrealistic, and asking a basketball coach to run a competent half court offense, not crap his pants late in games and not allow racist behaviors on his staff (allegedly) is unrealistic. Gotcha. If your bar for success was any lower Trip it'd be a rug. But at least we are cashing checks on the coattails of our conference mates!

Exactly, but I don't think I had unrealistic expectations for our 2 highest profile programs: Football - I had zero expectations in 2020 based on what Strong left Scott. My only complaint last season was play calling and time management in the Temple and Memphis games, but also realize these coaches are learning their jobs on the fly, and last year was a great year to make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. My 2021 expectation is 4-8 due to a pretty tough schedule and remaining uncertainty at the QB position Men's Basketball - My expectation for the 2020-21 season was an NCAAT appearance or deep run in the NIT, of which the team fell woefully short due to: Gregory not being able to blend a less-than-100% Yetna, Murphy and Tchewa back into the returning group The Covid pause occurring as the team was playing some of its better basketball The defense taking a HUGE step backwards Gregory continued poor X's and O's (half court offensive scheme, late game management) Shuffling of players off and on the court, like Durr coming out when he is playing well and not in foul trouble (this was a common complaint of Gregory back at Dayton where he wouldn't let offensive players get into a rhythm because he fell in love with running "hockey lines") Underlying player dissent My 2021-22 expectation would have been what I expect for any Year 5 coach - an NCAAT appearance, but with all the defections and Gregory still being at the helm a .500 conference record looks pretty good right now. Any success we have in any of our non-revenue generating sports is gravy. While I aspire for USF to achieve greater heights than that, I don't think any of that is unrealistic.

Many of the teams we play early are breaking in new starting QB's, so hopefully we can steal a few wins. The back half of the schedule has nearly all returning QB's so we will need all the momentum we can get early to sniff .500

No, I just have a higher bar for success than whatever remains of our fanbase. I'm not asking our athletic department to do anything they haven't already done in the past. That's not a false sense of anything, that's just setting an expectation and not being satisfied until its achieved.

I just have a higher bar for success, and in Gregory's case 4 years is enough time to see what he can do.

Winner! Nearly every argument I have been given for not firing Gregory has been that we cannot afford then $435k buyout (20 weeks of his salary annualized), so this could be manna from heaven. In all seriousness, the window on firing Gregory this off season has likely closed - if performance was an issue Kelly likely would have been fired him within 24-48 hours of the Wichita State loss, but he is out there recruiting and will likely go unscathed despite the alleged tolerance for racism in the program. Other than slumming it in the portal, MBB is over for now so time to move on to other things USF related. It looks like that dead horse will still be there in the fall for me to come back and beat on.

Here's hoping its at least $435k!

Not surrender, just tired of banging my head against a wall trying to explain a distinction without a difference. But I agree, I am looking forward to hearing the results of the investigation and how that matches up with what has been reportedly alleged.

You crack me up.

Maybe he doesn't want to post material behind a pay site, I really can't speak for him. I'm just saying if you want the information it can be found pretty easily.

We'll all be gone before either happens.

Its out there if you want to go look for it and spend a few dollars. If that's too much effort for you then I can't help you there. @NewEnglandBullis the best of anyone on here in breaking news, so maybe he can help you.

Its from a pay site and since they are just allegations I'm not comfortable posting here.

Feels like ages ago when we finished in a tie for 4th in the Big East back in 2011-12, with road wins at Villanova, Louisville, Pitt and Providence and with wins against 2 Top 25 teams. Not sure if that was the stars aligning for us during one season in the toughest college basketball conference of all-time, or if we should think we can compete at the top in a lesser conference.

I'd be curious to see if Gregory runs any twin towers out there with both Durr and Tchewa. may take some of the pressure off of finding a true starting PF.

That's the only rebuttal for a non-answer. At this point all we can do is exactly what you said, and sit back and wait. Gregory appears to be staying for Year 5 unless the investigation turns up something else or Kelly feels that whatever role Gregory played doesn't warrant dismissal. We'll just have to see how well he can recruit the portal this go around and put it all together. Maybe by not having Collins around anymore Gregory won't be hostage to his ball hogging late in games.

With college football being so QB driven its hard not to get excited with those kind of reviews!

PM me and I'll share with you what I have heard is being reported.

I know there is limited tape on McClain but based on what people saw yesterday I have already heard early comparisons to Flowers - what's everyone else take on that?

What has been specifically alleged is out there, as well as what were believed to be disingenuous apologies by the offending coach, with one of the apologies at the direction of Gregory so the player could get past it. The investigation will eventually determine what likely happened and will be interesting to see if a public records request will provide the details, if the athletic department doesn't publish it themselves. If what has been alleged is true then I can't see the offending coach being back, but with Gregory actively recruiting it appears as if he will won't be accountable for any of this.

Nobody is talking about Heath...strawman argument.

Agreed, but I have to ask the question, if the only legitimate outside shooter we have had in 4 years is Justin Brown, what makes us think Gregory can recruit those kind of players? And more importantly, how will he be able to do it when there is a cloud of an investigation hanging over his head for allowing racist behavior to occur in his program (allegedly)? If we don't have Yetna to run this offense through next season, how will this team ever be successful enough next season to warrant Gregory returning for Year 6? The last I saw was Yetna was in the portal and according to @chapelbull this Gregory's offense can't function without him, and by function I mean finish around #230 in OER.

I will say it again, although there appears to be selective memory from a few of you, but what Gregory did in Year 2 after taking over for Antigua was nothing short of amazing. It far exceeded anyone's expectations, but my issues is that it never translated to anything. I understand the Yetna argument in Year 3, but even with Yetna, Gregory has always been a terrible offensive coach. Now he is tasked with replacing the roster with what appears to be low-to-mid major rejects, and is asked to bolt it all together and finally find a way to coach offense? I'm sorry, but I have seen enough poor offense and blown second half leads in the 124 games that this guy has coached at USF to know that we are just going to be right back here next year rebuilding with a new coaching staff. Now is the time to make a move, but it appears this is going to be Charlie Strong 2019 all over again.