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Where did you here that the fb contract is going to be lower than the NCUSA and the MWC? With Louisville on board, the BE is much better than CUSA and better than MWC. Also the BE plays in larger more established markets than either of those leagues. No way would the BE execs. have agreed to a smaller contract than non bsc midmajor leagues, especially one as bad as the NCUSA will be. without Louisville, USF and Cincy. That comment from you is highly suspect. Either show us some proof or dont post such garbage. If you are a real BE fan, and I highly doubt that you are, you would not post such trash. It seems to me that you are a disguised fan of a CUSA school that was left behind in CUSA.

I dont know how good BE basedball is. In the northeast, you will find that BE fans dont care about baseball. I think that as you guys become better and better in fb and bb and start going to bcs bowls and sweet 16 tourney's, that your interest in baseball will probably wane off a little.

Pitt and BC. Cuse has played more currently ranked teams(5) and beaten more currently ranked (2) teams than anyone in the BE, CUSA, MWC and the WAC has. That number would be even higher if I included all of the teams that were ranked at some point during the season.

Miami only won 1 national championship, and lost in another national championship game to Ohio ST, while in the BE. They did not even become respectable until the year 1999, a couple of years after their probation period was over. Up until then, they had 5 or 6 years of 5,6 and 7 win seasons in the BE. But It just so happened that during their down years, West Virginia was usually very good as was Syracuse and Virginia Tech.

Well, the Bulls seem to have certainly turned things around. Your victory over UAB was very impressive. I posted on the WV board that the Bulls would win at least 8 games next year when they come to the BE. I based that on your recruiting classes. So come on, make me look good.

This is not meant as a flame, I dont know if I can handle anymore disappointments of this magnitude. First Cuse embarrases the conference by getting hammered by Purdue 51-0, Then Rutgers loses to D1-AA New hampshire, Then Cincy loses to Army, now USF loses to Army. I can understand Cincy losing to Army, but I would have never guessed that USF could lose to Army. Not with all of the talent you guys have been pulling in. Army must really be improving quickly. If thats the case I want their coach at Cuse.

The Big East started to play football as a conference in 1992. Miami was there in the beginning as was Virginia Tech. Up until this year, The big east never played football without Miami or Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech did not carry the league. They have only been to 1 bcs game (which was the national Championship game), Syracuse has been to 2, Miami went to the rest. When Miami was down, Syracuse carried the BE. Also syracuse has won more games in the BE than any other team except Miami. I do beleive that USF will become THE FB power school in the BE. You have all the right peices ready to be put in place.

Congrats Bulls Fans. Very exciting double overtime win over TCU. I knew things were not as bad as you guys thought after losing to USC. This is a good win for USF, beating one of CUSA's favorites. I think the New Big East went 6-1 today with the lone loss being Syracuse. Rutgers has a bye week. keep it going. Thanks for contributing towards the nbe respect.

I am sorry that you guys lost today. In reading some of your posts, I see that some of you are starting to doubt your team, coaches etc.... USC is a solid team. They are not great, but they are solid. Therefore there is no reason to get down on yourselves. With the talent that USF has been bringing in, I am sure that you guys will be very competitive by the time you get to the BE. In fact, we in the BE are counting on it. This was just one game. You guys will be ok. With your defense, I think you guys can handle tcu. Keep the faith. Things will get better.

. (Since the bcs has been around, only Miami has gone from the Big East). Syracuse and VT have also played in at least 2 bcs bowls a peice.

Thats going to be a good game with Cincy. They have a good chance of stealing one in the Dome. Cincy's defense is always good. Cuse offense has a tough time with great defenses. Cuse should :-/ pull this one out at the Dome. I think Cincy will be much better this year than many fols think. I know they were picked 8th in CUSA, but I can see them getting 7-8 wins this year.

Cuse will not be left behind by anyone in the new BE. I wouldnt worry too much by the above post from the SU board. Thats an opinion from one person. Most Cuse fans are very happy at the potential of all of the fb schools coming into the BE. In that aspect, the BE officials new exactly what they were doing in bringing USF, Louisville and Cincy in.

Blue-collar bowls strike back Matt Hayes / Posted: 36 minutes ago You've got to admire the fight in these guys. Their Joe Sixpack bowl games are throwaways in the grand scheme, as insignificant as the NIT in that other college sport. Yet every year they're plugging away with postseason games that, for the most part, fill stadiums and remind us there is life after the BCS. Now those same bowls have a chance to make things very interesting -- and tweak their BCS brethren in the process. Officials from the Citrus, Cotton, Gator and Holiday bowls started talking a couple of years ago about a postseason draft of teams for their games -- or a mini-BCS. That has become more of a reality after the latest kick in the gut from the Bowl Championship Series. Quick recap: BCS says it will add a fifth bowl; aforementioned bowls believe there is new access to the sport's Mecca; BCS eventually stays status quo. That final condescending condemnation could lead to a revamped bowl structure among the non-BCS games. "I think we all understand that change isn't part of that (BCS) structure," says Cotton Bowl president Rick Baker. "So now we have to ask ourselves how we make our games more intriguing." Someone, quick, find a napkin. Give Citrus Bowl president Tom Mickle a pen and some table space and watch him go. This is the same guy who literally drew the concept of the BCS on a dinner napkin in the 1990s, and college football hasn't been the same since. There are plenty of options this time around, and a draft would generate fan interest and give non-BCS games more yearly variety. A draft, which wouldn't begin until current contracts expire after the 2005 season, also would create the cross-region games fans crave. And, of course, it would severely crimp the Big Six BCS conferences. "That's not something we'd be in favor of," a BCS commissioner says. They might not have a say in the matter. The BCS leagues want their annual bowl tie-ins because they generate consistent revenue, and it's a simple process of sliding teams into selection slots and cashing the checks. A Texas vs. Florida Citrus Bowl matchup would have drawn a lot of attention last season. Well, fellas, it might not be that simple anymore. The non-BCS bowls are trying to survive. As with any business, the keys are marketing and selling an attractive product and embracing change when needed. The concept of the draft is simple. After BCS pairings are announced, the four mini-BCS bowls would draft teams for their games. Instead of being limited to conference tie-ins, the bowls could pick from any team in the nation. The Citrus could have used the first pick last year to select Texas, a team that just missed out on the BCS. With its next selection in the second round, the Citrus could have grabbed local favorite Florida and would've had its most attractive game in years. The Holiday Bowl could've had an East Coast-West Coast game of Georgia-Washington State; the Gator a Tennessee-Iowa matchup. The possibilities are endless with the bowls changing spots in the draft rotation each year, much like the BCS championship game rotates among the four bowls. This is Marketing 101, folks. More interesting games mean more financial possibilities. The bowls can pool sponsorship money for payouts and negotiate a television deal with any network that gives them prime spots in the holiday season. You better believe NBC and FOX, which trail ABC and CBS in college football coverage, would jump at the chance to promote the new bowl series and steal a little thunder from the BCS. Joe Sixpack hasn't given up yet. He has just started rolling up his sleeves. Staff writer Matt Hayes covers college football for Sporting News. Email him at mhayes@sportingnews.com and include your name and location www.foxsports.com/content...Id=2504614

Whether USF dominates the BE or not, your future is much better off in the BE than Independant or in CUSA. I expect USF to be the next K State. I cant say VTech since they only had a couple of real good years. But USF will be ok in the BE. No one expects USF to dominate the BE the way Miami did, but If USF could just get past Vtech's level, everything would be fine. I really think that with BCS access, USF and Cincy will benefit the most. Louisville is already really good.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense because we all know that Cuse is doing poorly in sports.

I agree concerning Memphis over Depaul. The thing is that Depaul and USF will start to gain more interest from their local fans now that they have access to BCS and the best bb conference that has ever been put together. They only need a couple of seasons of really good wins and people will start giving them their due.

yankees will always be wearing pinstrips and that is what connects each generation cuse needs better players not a new logo I have no idea as to what you mean by that first part of your post, but Cuse should be much better this year. Alot of folks are looking forward to this fb season to redeem ourselves. For the good of the entire BE, lets hope the Cuse is back.

The Cuse AD gives some insight to name change and logo. Jake's Take: SU's Athletics Logo   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many individuals have asked about the process followed in creating the new graphic identity for Syracuse University’s athletic teams. It all began in the summer of 2002 when Nike Team Sports, one of the world’s most accomplished marketing and design companies, approached SU to help us contend with a longstanding concern—how best to represent all of our 21 teams in a manner that would be consistent, readily recognizable and aesthetically pleasing while maintaining the integrity of the institution’s identity. Each university has its own traditions and values, and each generation of fans has its own connection to an institution’s athletic program. It is critical to understand and embrace this before moving forward with an identity redesign. The objective must be to design a graphic identity that reflects no mere trend or fad, but instead is strong and able to withstand the test of time. The first part of the process involved developing a clear understanding of Syracuse University’s identity—its history, mission and vision—and analyzing the athletic program’s existing identity package. This research stage was the most vital aspect of the process in assuring that Nike understood what exactly is Syracuse University. We felt extremely fortunate to have this opportunity, as one of only a small select group of universities in the country to work with Nike Team Sports on a redesign effort. Nike devoted significant time, energy and expertise in researching SU’s athletic background and fans. Nike staff spent months poring over old photographs and documents in the University archives, and conducting interviews with numerous alumni and other fans, people on campus, coaches and retailers. They established a graphic direction that merged the modern architectural elements of the campus with the rich tradition of the city and the University. The slogan “Respect the Past—Represent the Future” was developed to brand our athletic program. In its research, Nike noted that our individual sports teams were using their own ID marks and color combinations with little or no connection to an overall branding system. Nike recommended to a University steering committee that the following be developed: a consistent/refined color palette; a custom logotype trademark; and a new primary identity to be used in all SU athletic programs, communications and products. Nike determined that we had so much athletic history and rich tradition, combined with a striking primary color and immediate name recognition—with both “SU” and “Orange”—that a complete remake of our athletic identity would be neither necessary nor desirable. Nike presented its preliminary report of findings and recommendations, along with three different design prototypes, to the steering committee (with representation from the University’s Athletics, Alumni Relations, Bookstore and Auxiliary Services departments, and student body). Then we spent many months going back and forth with refinements. Nike’s research clearly identified that the vast majority of students, alumni, employees and community members referred to Syracuse University as “SU.” Thus, the design of the interlocking “SU” logo, created with a more aggressive, angular aesthetic look but still retaining a true collegiate feel. Another strong consideration involved the distinctiveness of being “The Orange.” According to the National Directory of College Athletics published by the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics, SU is the only Division I institution in the country to have orange as its sole official color. And SU is the only collegiate or professional sports organization with the nickname of “The Orange”—a distinction dating back to 1890, when both the moniker and the color were adopted by the alumni, faculty and student body. So the decision to henceforth be known collectively as the Orange in lieu of Orangemen and Orangewomen is not one of political correctness or “messing with tradition.” Rather it is a return to tradition. And a commonality of spirit. In this sense, Orange is not a color, not a fruit. It is a community of fans, student-athletes and coaches united in one following, one affection. It is who we are, whether we’re proudly wearing orange and chanting “Let’s Go, Orange” in the Carrier Dome or elsewhere. We’re Orange together. As Chris McClure, creative director for Nike Team Sports, stated very eloquently, the purpose of our work with Nike was “to create a very clean, refined and unique identity that by design fuses elements of the past with the aesthetic values of the future. We want to respect the past and represent the future.” I feel we have accomplished this. We are now able to draw all of our teams under one banner with one very powerful identity. My sole regret in the process is with the timing of our announcement. Our intention was to have a coordinated announcement weeks later, to allow better opportunity to inform our alumni, students and other many fans. The accelerated timetable was predicated by media reports that broke the news. Team uniforms will not be ready for quite some time. We are just beginning to integrate the new graphic identity into our athletic operation. And much of the apparel and hard goods with the new “SU” and “Orange” marks is not yet available. While merchandising is not a driving force behind our efforts—yes, it is one reason for Nike’s involvement, but not for the SU Athletic Department, which receives no money from merchandise sales or licensing—still it is unfair to tease fans with images that are not yet part of the marketplace. I am assured that this will be rectified soon. More important to me than the merchandise is the appearance of our teams. In the long history of our program, SU has never had one strong, unified logo. We’ve had up to 20 different logos on our athletic apparel. There has been no consistency. Now we do, with our new graphic identity program, and with the striking interlocking “SU” and an emphasis on orange in our uniforms. I believe the bright orange “SU” on a dark blue or white background will be as readily recognizable and distinctive as the Michigan maize “M” on blue, or the white Oklahoma “OU” on red, or the “UCLA” blue and gold combination. It would be a tremendous compliment to our student-athletes—past, present and future—and to all those who cheer them on. Sincerely, Jake Crouthamel Director of Athletics PS I have no idea whats up with all of those numbers in this article. I just cut and paste from suathletics.com

I am glad to have USF too. I was born and partially raised in Sarasota. Now there are 2 BE schools within an hours drive from my 2 hometowns. Sarasota(USF) and Rochester(CUSE). Welcome USF. PS USF still has a campus in Sarasota, Dont they.

SCBullsfan: I take it that you showed us the new logo. Ihave not seen it yet. Its been all over the news up here, but noone has actually shown the logo. If thats it, I like it.

I think it will be all positive. The folks at USF are concerned about their fans not being able to attend if they switch it. That should not be a problem since it will be on labor day and most folks are off anyway. Maybe they have other concerns that we dont know about.

Okafor is 6'10. He will make a perfect power forward in the NBA. I think he's 240Ibs. He certainly has the the skills and he is a smart player. I dont know how he manages to block all of those shots and not be more foul trouble.

Actually, Okafor is a junior. He's so intelligent that he was able to finish his Bachelors degree in finance in only 3 years. He has another year left. But its not likely he will be back. After winning the BE tourn., a reporter asked him if he was planning to come back for 1 more year, he said "naah" and laughed.

I read this article earlier in the morning. The writer (Bob Mathews), seems to have a negative view on anything that has to do with the Cuse. He actually had Syracuse losing against every single team that they played last year enrout to their national championship, except Manhattan. By the way the Cuse did beat Uconn this year. The 2 teams split their games this year with each winning on their home court.

I heard that he was leaving the Cuse. Did he actually leave yet? Have you heard anything? He was unhappy because he thoght that he would be the starting Qb after RJ Anderson left. I think he may have played for just a few minutes the last season. Now Cuse just got another good QB that will probably start. From what I hear, Howard is a good option QB that can throw. I think he should have played a whole lot more instead of the awful RJ Anderson.