In all seriousness I understand what you are saying smazza but let's keep in mind that these big name out of conference games is a two way street. A majority of the big name teams already have a 'big' out of conference game and will not schedule someone like WVU or UL. Miami did and unfortunately for UL it is a down year for them so the win does not look as impressive. Maryland is one of the top ACC teams this year and eventhough I do not feel the ACC is that good WVU crushed them. I believe you can only do what you can do with the teams you play and take it from there. Sorry, but the attitude that the other conferences are so superior that Grothe would not survive is a bit crazy. The big 10 this year can be called the big 3. And in any conference you have upsets. I just don't think you give the Big East enough credit. They did play other conferences middle of the road teams and won. Now I hope that in any bowl if they can face a top BCS conf team they can prove it there to. I am not a traditionalist when it comes to looking at teams success. I believe you can only look at this years results to come up with a fair picture.