FSU to B12?

[Reliable Source]

Now the Texas AD is saying they aren't expanding, unless it's Notre Dame and Texas controls everything. This **** is stupid... I'm not going to pay attention to these rumors/blogs/ESPN/CBS articles anymore until something actually happens (or doesn't). This is my last one.

Per Brett: Texas AD not for expanding, but admits courting Notre Dame

http://www.cbssports...murphy/19124774

Have you actually read the article? McMurphy puts his "I missed this story" stamp on it while misquoting what Dodds actually said.

the title reads

Texas AD not for expanding, but admits courting Notre Dame

The text says

"I don't think it needs to expand," Dodds told CBSSports.com's Dennis Dodd. "It certainly can expand because there will be people that will want to be a part of it. That's another good thing.".

heck, I don't need to go do down to the local pub and flirt with the girls there, but I sure like doing it. And....

"We could expand to some number," Dodds said. "You name the number -- 12, 14, 16. We could expand but the question is 'do we need to expand?' In my mind, 10 is perfect because you play everybody in football and there is a double-round-robin in basketball.

This directly contradicts what The Human BM says in the Title. Want to talk about irresponsible journalism, this is the ridiculous example that proves the point. You can't really be quoting BM to argue this point, can you?

Um, nothing you quoted there contradicts what Dodds said in the title. Title said he's not for expanding and what you quoted supports that .....

He says it twice in the same sentence "We could expand" . God almighty are you guys in denial??? And Dodds said absolutely nothing that was quoted in the title, that was pure McMurphy.

[Who'sYourData?]

Not really confusing. First of all, Dodds denies everything all the time. Like two days before it was announced that A&M was leaving, he was quoted as saying A&M wasn't leaving. Just before TCU and WVU were brought on board, he said there was nothing happening on either front. He lies perpetually. I'm not sure why, other than maybe to give the league deniability.

As I understand it, the TCU AD said that the B12 was in talks with FSU, Clemson and Miami. He did not tweet that there was an agreement. Then he said that all he meant was that there were internet rumors of talks with those schools.

If teams leave the ACC, I believe there were provisions in the TV contract to deal with different schools leaving.

[Joe]

There are ZERO reports that VT and NC State have talked to the SEC. There are ZERO reports that the SEC wants to expand.

Not true.

There are ZERO reports that Virginia, UNC, Duke, and Wake have talked to the Big Ten. There are also ZERO reports that the Big Ten is looking to expand.

Not true.

There are other sources of information than ESPN.

Weeks after sources indicated that FSU was talking to the Big 12, Chad Scott of CBS tweeted that the talk was all rubbish from tweeters that don't know anything.

Two days later he was reporting that FSU was talking to the Big 12.

Just because you haven't read it on ESPN or CBS, doesn't mean it's not true. Clearly not all of these discussions will result in school changing conferences. But the talks are happening. In fact, they HAVE to occur for weeks before anything becomes official. It takes a long time to negotiate these things. By the time you hear about it on any of the major sources, the talks have been going on for months.

Provide me a link then.

And not one with some guy laying out his perfect scenerio with no actual knowledge of what is going on.

[Joe]

Most of it is made up speculation.

Exactly. Last year the Big 12 was the conference that was going to blow up with teams going everywhere.

Yeah, and only eleven teams changed conferences.

Yeah, all that stuff last year was just rank speculation, OU and TX probably weren't really talking to the Pac 12 and MU and TAMU weren't really talking to the SEC and UConn wasn't telling everyone that would listen they wanted into the ACC, Louisville wasn't having senators call the B12 on their behalf, Pitt and Syracuse weren't negotiating behind the backs of their conference partners and WVU wasn't trying to get out out the BE anywhere they could get to. Thank God none of that happened. We are really glad it didn't because it would have really affected us.All that speculation was just that, thank god.

Has any conference not named the WAC died? No?

The rumors are always so **** drastic and turn out to be the opposite. You know that is what I meant. Let's look at the ACC. We know FSU has wanted out, and are talking to the Big 12. We know Clemson has probably done the same. TCU's AD suggested Miami has too. Then there are the rumors with GT being approach.

The rest? All BS speculation.

There are ZERO reports that VT and NC State have talked to the SEC. There are ZERO reports that the SEC wants to expand.

There are ZERO reports that Virginia, UNC, Duke, and Wake have talked to the Big Ten. There are also ZERO reports that the Big Ten is looking to expand.

It was the SAME way last year with the Big 12 when people had Mizzou to the Big Ten. It was the same when they Kansas, Iowa State, and Kansas State to the Big East.

You keep saying it almost happened, but the reality is it didn't. Texas probably was playing the game to keep their power in the Big 12 and assure they didn't have to split revenue from the Longhorn Network with the rest of the league.. They stayed and got a sweet deal to do so.

That's my point. FSU and Clemson may move on as reports have suggested, but the ACC will stick around. Just as the Big 12 did.

I'll let you return to reading these doomsday scenerios on Twitter.

Well a week ago the FSU Clemson scenario was "rank speculation" too. Now wasn't it? oh, and it's spelled scenario.And No where did I suggest "doomsday" for any conference. I Have always( for 6 months now) that FSU leaving the ACC might create a window for USF to enter the ACC. Now with the terms of their TV deal out, I'm kind of glad we didn't get offered and jump. You know, I read probably 150 pages of text a day about this stuff, which range from locals newspapers to national media to Bloggers who are working really hard to mine sources and find out truths about these issues. It's mindless to dismiss all of that to "twitter doomsday scenerios" or rank speculation. A lot of what I read and research is from intelligent, careful and thoughtful individuals. But you want to wave that away with the sweep of a hand and call it unfounded because that weasel Brett McMurphy has gotten the story yet. I

Read that back to yourself...it's unfounded because NO ONE IS REPORTING IT.

It's all rumors of unknown origin.

[jvwvu]

Personally as a WVU fan I like 10 like Texas AD bigger games, but adding FSU and Clemson and title game adds money and ggod football teams.

What if Big 12 is not the first to make a move, that is the new bit going around, not saying that FSU is not coming, saying they might not be first to leave.

I could see BE becoming BBall only (GTown, Nova and raiding A10) and ACC combining leftovers in Boise and Such for football only like it has for BR.

[NAM37]

As college football moves towards "four power conferences"^TM I don't see how being in a re-building ACC is any better for USF than being in a re-building Big East... at least not significantly better.

[GaUSFBull]

So interesting how we all read the same stuff and on one hand, we have those that see "done deal" on the next wave of realignment, and on the other hand, we have those that see possibilities only.

[jvwvu]

What would be your thoughts about UNC jumping NCState as NC resident in SEC with VaTech and creating the first 16 team conference that the SEC Champion would be guaranteed a spot in the Final Four Playoff.

Would the Tarheels kill the ACC first?

UNC adds 20 million viewers, could CBS be making the move to add money to the deal to make this happen?

[Triple B]

Now the Texas AD is saying they aren't expanding, unless it's Notre Dame and Texas controls everything. This **** is stupid... I'm not going to pay attention to these rumors/blogs/ESPN/CBS articles anymore until something actually happens (or doesn't). This is my last one.

Per Brett: Texas AD not for expanding, but admits courting Notre Dame

http://www.cbssports...murphy/19124774

Have you actually read the article? McMurphy puts his "I missed this story" stamp on it while misquoting what Dodds actually said.

the title reads

Texas AD not for expanding, but admits courting Notre Dame

The text says

"I don't think it needs to expand," Dodds told CBSSports.com's Dennis Dodd. "It certainly can expand because there will be people that will want to be a part of it. That's another good thing.".

heck, I don't need to go do down to the local pub and flirt with the girls there, but I sure like doing it. And....

"We could expand to some number," Dodds said. "You name the number -- 12, 14, 16. We could expand but the question is 'do we need to expand?' In my mind, 10 is perfect because you play everybody in football and there is a double-round-robin in basketball.

This directly contradicts what The Human BM says in the Title. Want to talk about irresponsible journalism, this is the ridiculous example that proves the point. You can't really be quoting BM to argue this point, can you?

Um, nothing you quoted there contradicts what Dodds said in the title. Title said he's not for expanding and what you quoted supports that .....

He says it twice in the same sentence "We could expand" . God almighty are you guys in denial??? And Dodds said absolutely nothing that was quoted in the title, that was pure McMurphy.

Obviously there were parts of the interview you must not have seen so I helped you a little bit. Not sure how much clearer Dodds could make it. I don't know if BM makes his own headlines but the headline is accurate about expansion.

[charsibb]

What would be your thoughts about UNC jumping NCState as NC resident in SEC with VaTech and creating the first 16 team conference that the SEC Champion would be guaranteed a spot in the Final Four Playoff.

Would the Tarheels kill the ACC first?

UNC adds 20 million viewers, could CBS be making the move to add money to the deal to make this happen?

I'm skeptical about this whole "NCSU to the SEC" thing. UNC would make a lot more sense. NCSU brings Raleigh. UNC brings the whole state, and then some.