Flowers passing

[CousinRicky]

8 hours ago, Orlando Bull said:

I agree, his accuracy has to be better next week... I do think that it looks worse than it is though. We have a lot of drops, I know, drops happen, but, it seems to happen to us a lot.

There were also 2 plays in a row last night where Q's passes looked AWFUL, but, I think the blame was actually on the WR. One was a second down and McCants was running some sort of in route at the hash. Q threw and the ball landed behind McCants, looked like Q missed him badly. What I think I saw was that there was a safety in the spot where McCants would have been in Q hit him in stride. Most offenses have some "option" to the route where if the WR and QB read that the defense is in a zone, the WR settles down into the zone rather than running their route into a defender. I'll never know if our offense is that sophisticated, or, if Q just missed badly, but, to me, it looked like Q expected Tyree to settle down into an area of the field that was open and pick up the first.

On 3rd down, I swear it was nearly the same play and the announcers even indicated that Q was telling the WR that they ran the wrong route.

My point is, for Gilbert to come out and kind of single out MVS as finally learning the offense, I wonder how many of Q's horrible throws are really that far off vs a receiver not reacting to the defense the way they should. I said in the in-game thread, but, one of the biggest differences between this year and last is our WR play... Drops, blocking, routes, coming back to Q when he's scrambling. All of it seems pretty bad. Some could be WR coach, could be that Q is so inaccurate that they don't know how to react, could be that they have seen Q make so many great plays that they are complacent, they are expecting him to make something happen.

So, same play, 2 different receivers, both passes were behind the receiver so it must have been the receivers fault?

[Orlando Bull]

2 hours ago, Who'sYourData? said:

We have watched four years of Q's throws being inaccurate.  So either no one has recruited WRs that can run a route in four years, or at least some of it is due to the fact that Q can't throw.  

His completion percentage the last 2 years with a ton of deep balls would disagree with you. He started slow last year, but dialed in about game 4 or 5. 

[Orlando Bull]

28 minutes ago, Bourbon Bull said:

So, same play, 2 different receivers, both passes were behind the receiver so it must have been the receivers fault?

You're probably right, I'm sure he just yelled at the receiver for running the wrong route so that the fans wouldn't blame him. 

He's not the most accurate passer on earth, but, he's not terrible either. There is no middle ground with some people. 

[mjadams]

I wonder how many completions were Rodney sweeping in front of him last year and it was a 6 ft pass. That definitely helped the ole percentage.

[DELdaBull]

was extremely off last night

[Brad]

5 hours ago, Who'sYourData? said:

Well played, sir.  

 

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[USF Bulls Football]

Sooo.. I think the simple answer is Q is really just an average passer. The completetion percentage last year looked a little better bc we called about 10 wr screens a game. 

[usfgrad84]

3 hours ago, Orlando Bull said:

His completion percentage the last 2 years with a ton of deep balls would disagree with you. He started slow last year, but dialed in about game 4 or 5. 

Weren't a lot of his deep balls that were completed posts or seam routes completed toward the inside of the hashes. The same ones he has been completing for TDs this year on the rare occasion he throws deep over the middle. 

 

I may be misremembering, but seems to me his deep incompletions are low percentage outside go routes.

 

The play action TD to Wilcox last week was a thing of beauty. With all the dive plays called why has Gilbert only called a play action or true screen only once all year?  

I have not been too down on the offense this year, but it really does seem that Gilbert has installed just about everything away from Flowers' strengths. It is mind boggling at times. 

[DELdaBull]

46 minutes ago, usfgrad84 said:

Weren't a lot of his deep balls that were completed posts or seam routes completed toward the inside of the hashes. The same ones he has been completing for TDs this year on the rare occasion he throws deep over the middle. 

 

I may be misremembering, but seems to me his deep incompletions are low percentage outside go routes.

 

The play action TD to Wilcox last week was a thing of beauty. With all the dive plays called why has Gilbert only called a play action or true screen only once all year?  

I have not been too down on the offense this year, but it really does seem that Gilbert has installed just about everything away from Flowers' strengths. It is mind boggling at times. 

Gilbert is a bad play caller. He does not know when to go to the counter play. 

We never run the jet sweep action unless we are running the sweep. We new play action the dive and throw over the middle. We don't fake the WR screen then throw over the top. 

Playbook is not terrible, we just don't set defenses up. 

CWT was really good at setting up the counter play. 

[CousinRicky]

20 hours ago, Orlando Bull said:

You're probably right, I'm sure he just yelled at the receiver for running the wrong route so that the fans wouldn't blame him. 

He's not the most accurate passer on earth, but, he's not terrible either. There is no middle ground with some people. 

I'm just sayin.  Maybe the receivers did screw up the same play - back to back.  Then again, maybe not.  Not sure whose fault the 2 throws, being generous there, to the TE were.