9-1

[Apis Bull]

Couple that with our defensive stats:

2016 Opponents - 32 points per game, 197 rushing yards per game, 286 passing yards per game, 39% 3rd down efficiency.  

2017 Opponents - 20 points per game, 123 rushing yards per game, 201 passing yards per game, 35% 3rd down efficiency.

[Bull94]

8 minutes ago, Apis Bull said:

Couple that with our defensive stats:

2016 Opponents - 32 points per game, 197 rushing yards per game, 286 passing yards per game, 39% 3rd down efficiency.  

2017 Opponents - 20 points per game, 123 rushing yards per game, 201 passing yards per game, 35% 3rd down efficiency.

we faced a much tougher schedule last year.

[Apis Bull]

2 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

we faced a much tougher schedule last year.

We also don't have UMass that would have likely padded the stats a bit.

[Bull94]

Just now, Apis Bull said:

We also don't have UMass that would have likely padded the stats a bit.

yeah padded the defensive stats...

you are comparing stats from the #65 schedule in the country to the #112 schedule according to team rankings. doesn't work that way.

[jchem1995]

17 hours ago, dausfbulls11 said:

And one big motherf..king game coming....they wont come out flat like that friday....Q, cement your legend and carry this team on your shoulders if u have to....one game....remember being 2-10, i do, and im cherishing every moment of this season....one game!

I'm with ya. 9-1 is better than 1-9. Was there too. I remember.

[mjadams]

2 hours ago, Bull94 said:

yeah padded the defensive stats...

you are comparing stats from the #65 schedule in the country to the #112 schedule according to team rankings. doesn't work that way.

What do you adjust for Mack and Adams? Two NFL talents?

[The Great 8]

12 minutes ago, mjadams said:

What do you adjust for Mack and Adams? Two NFL talents?

That's a separate debate.

The takeaway here is this years offense has "similar" effectiveness to last years, against a much lesser level of competition.

If you'd like to debate the merits of whether that's because of Gilbert/CCS arriving or Mack/Adams departing that's a worthwhile discussion. But, let's align on the above first. Agreed?

[The Great 8]

My stance is this: We should be even more effective, with another year of maturation of our starters. Instead, we're producing laterally - at best. Mack and Adams leaving doesn't account for the full delta. Couple with the weakened schedule and statistically we've regressed. Everyone's eyes should be telling you this too.

Look at the offense when Mack was absent last year. We didn't regress much. He was "simply" somewhat explosive than DJ/Tice. It's not a fall off a cliff from him to his backups though. Similar for Adams.  His absence has allowed MVS to shine.

Meanwhile, in the GCO the absence of Flowers would be sorely missed. That cliff drop-off happens from Flowers to Kean in the GCO. That'd be a much more fair reason to suggest a laterally performing offense is "okay" after a player moving on. "Thankfully", we won't have that excuse next year, hopefully Kean/Oladokun can perform better than Flowers in this vertical game that Gilbert and Co are forcing down our throats.

Edited November 17, 2017 by The Great 8

[Fold FB Invest in BB]

3 minutes ago, The Great 8 said:

That's a separate debate.

The takeaway here is this years offense has "similar" effectiveness to last years, against a much lesser level of competition.

If you'd like to debate the merits of whether that's because of Gilbert/CCS arriving or Mack/Adams departing that's a worthwhile discussion. But, let's align on the above first. Agreed?

So would you rather they average 60 and be 9-1? Not sure if that's a sustainable pace for any offense. The end result is what matters.

[The Great 8]

46 minutes ago, George Jenkins said:

So would you rather they average 60 and be 9-1? Not sure if that's a sustainable pace for any offense. The end result is what matters.

It's not the points scored. You can be a slow offense that takes ToP and scores in the 20's but wins all their games. Those offenses don't manage 1.6 yards per play against the second to worst defense in college football for extensive periods of time. Our offense did last night. This is partially due to ineptitude of play calling.