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New voice, same plight: Charlie Strong seeks local support

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Kind of a negative, premature story.  Boring. 

Win. Play real opponents.  We saw fans come out when that happened. 

Again, points to the need for big OOC games.  An AAC championship doesn't get anyone off the couch.  Let's be serious.  

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Skingraft
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1 word: schedule  its not strong enough to bring in the new or casual fan

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I'm probably in the minority, but I don't schedule tests, papers, etc to conflict with athletics, unless it's impossible to avoid. College is about SO much more than just the in-class experience.

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He's right. It drives me nuts to hear about USF grads throwing their money and time at UF or FSU simply because they've always done it, not because they actually attended those institutions. Support y

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4 minutes ago, Brad said:

Kind of a negative, premature story.  Boring. 

Win. Play real opponents.  We saw fans come out when that happened. 

Again, points to the need for big OOC games.  An AAC championship doesn't get anyone off the couch.  Let's be serious.  

Well then we have a problem as we are in this league for the long term.

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1 hour ago, Brad said:

Again, points to the need for big OOC games.  An AAC championship doesn't get anyone off the couch.  Let's be serious.  

Which is a perfect reflection of the overall lack of passion for USF Athletics that is a huge hurdle. 

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17 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Which is a perfect reflection of the overall lack of passion for USF Athletics that is a huge hurdle. 

Yup.  We need to work on cultivating a real fan base that's there to see USF and not just marquee games.  You're not going to find these kind of fans in the community at large you're going to have to cultivate them while they're on campus as students.  The first step to doing that is consistently winning for a number of years so those students have great game day memories.  USF football games need to be THE EVENT of the week rather than what's going on in South Tampa or visiting friends at UF and FSU for their game day.  How do you do that?  I'm not sure because I'm in my mid 30's. But athletics needs to partner with the large student organizations and work together on creating this environment.  

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ESPN and the NCAA have set up the G5 to fail. 

The deck is 99.9% stacked against us. 

Why would anyone want to come to watch a program that cannot compete for the ultimate goal in their respective sport.

Do any G5s average over 50k in attendance?

 

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3 hours ago, Bourbon Bull said:

As far as when people show up to games that may be a Tampa Bay thing. Opening day for the Rays at first pitch there were a lot of empty seats.  By the third inning or so it was full.

nah, not a Tampa Bay thing. Every city I've been in has a contingent of arrive late, leave early ticket holders. Often the ones in the expensive seats.

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12 minutes ago, beastiebull said:

ESPN and the NCAA have set up the G5 to fail. 

The deck is 99.9% stacked against us. 

Why would anyone want to come to watch a program that cannot compete for the ultimate goal in their respective sport.

Do any G5s average over 50k in attendance?

 

There is much truth in this.

ECU is the top G5 at 44k. AAC is the best conference of the G5 for tickets sold.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-attendance-in-2016-crowds-decline-for-sixth-straight-year/

AAC: The AAC, which averaged 31,611 (nearly the same as 2015), is clearly No. 1 for Group of Five crowds. Tom Herman's "H-Town Takeover" increased Houston crowds by 35 percent over two years. South Florida was up 41 percent in 2016 with a 10-2 record and a home game vs. Florida State. Temple fell 38 percent without facing Notre Dame. Other than BYU, East Carolina (44,113) had the largest crowds outside the Power Five.

Mountain West: The Mountain West averaged 24,142 per game, comfortably behind the AAC. Conference leader San Diego State was up 28 percent. Wyoming increased 18 percent. Nevada, which fired coach Brian Polian, was down 17 percent.

Conference USA: At 19,849 fans per game, C-USA is clearly in the Sun Belt/MAC ballpark for fan interest as opposed to the AAC and Mountain West. Southern Miss (28,588) led C-USA. Florida Atlantic, which fired coach Charlie Partridge, was down 43 percent to 10,073.

Sun Belt: The Sun Belt averaged 17,993 fans per game. Appalachian State, which had a home game against Miami, led the conference at 26,153 and topped Kansas' average. Appalachian State was up 22 percent.

MAC: Even with Western Michigan rowing the boat to an undefeated season and a Cotton Bowl bid, the MAC finished last at 16,062 fans per game. Western Michigan averaged 23,838, up 23 percent. In 2012, Northern Illinois averaged 20,877 while reaching a BCS bowl. This year, Northern Illinois fell to 11,019 (123rd out of 128 FBS teams).

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52 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

Yup.  We need to work on cultivating a real fan base that's there to see USF and not just marquee games.  You're not going to find these kind of fans in the community at large you're going to have to cultivate them while they're on campus as students.  The first step to doing that is consistently winning for a number of years so those students have great game day memories.  USF football games need to be THE EVENT of the week rather than what's going on in South Tampa or visiting friends at UF and FSU for their game day.  How do you do that?  I'm not sure because I'm in my mid 30's. But athletics needs to partner with the large student organizations and work together on creating this environment.  

And you start this process by winning over those that the article cites--USF grads that support other schools. We have a pride and culture issue. 

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51 minutes ago, Paisa el Toro said:

And you start this process by winning over those that the article cites--USF grads that support other schools. We have a pride and culture issue. 

I think most of those people are lost causes because they will bail the minute we have a down season like they have already.  We need to focus most heavily on creating fans with a true bond and the easiest way to do with that is make USF football a big part of the on campus culture and get as many students as possible to games.  Fans with an emotional bond to the program and the game day experience are the ones that show up week in and week out.  Maybe you win some of the above types back but chances are those hearts and dollars are already out of the door imo.....

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3 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Well then we have a problem as we are in this league for the long term.

I think it's pretty obvious we do indeed have a very serious problem in this department

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