Calloway and Bad Grades

[ArmyBull]

Ok, I really don't know much about this but maybe it has always happened or maybe I am just paying attention more this year or both.

 

But if we are losing players, good ones at that, to "academic issues" who's fault is that?  I have been through enough post graduate education to know that ineligibility does not sneak up on a player.  Are the coaches not riding these kids the minute a mid-term bad grade comes out?  Does this happen a lot on our team, or any team.  I do not recall headlines of players getting kicked off other teams for "academic" reasons.

 

Is this a failure of our coaching staff.  Think about it, to get kicked out for academic reasons, in my mind anyway, takes a couple of semesters at least.  Maybe the coaches did all they could do, maybe not.

 

I would imagine that coaches are assigned to stay on top of this stuff and provide endless amounts of tutoring when an athlete starts to struggle.

 

Thoughts?

 

Does anyone know the full story?  

[MMW]

I am sure you are right about it not being a surprise to anyone.  The coaches probably do ride the players about grades but there is only so much you can do.  I am tempted to ask "do you have kids?" 

[ArmyBull]

I am sure you are right about it not being a surprise to anyone.  The coaches probably do ride the players about grades but there is only so much you can do.  I am tempted to ask "do you have kids?" 

 

Yes, I have several.  Oldest is 16 youngest is 8.  And I think that is part of my point.  For my kid to say, fail 10th grade, it would be at least 3/4 of a year of every class receiving bad grades, Ds and Fs.  Yes, I would know when the problems started and yes, I would do what I could, realizing that I am ultimately limited by my child's desire to improve.   

 

However, my wife and I have limited time/money resources.  I would imagine that USF has "essentially" unlimited time/resources to dump into poor grades.  Without knowing the entire process, there seems like a number of avenues that could have been explored, and I am sure they explored them all.

 

That is why I was curious about the "whole" story.  I wonder how bad it really has to get to be kicked out for academic reasons.  

[Guest]

Student athletes have grade checks... attendance checks... and required study hall. They are provided with tutors in any subject.  Everything short of having someone else write their papers and take their tests.

 

It takes a real effort to fail at college as a student athlete.

 

I am sure the coaches knew all along what Calloway's grades were like... and were doing their best to work with him.  The fact that he was never suspended tells me that he attended his classes... my guess is he just didn't put forth the effort on any assignments and couldn't pass his exams enough to get the required GPA.

 

The requirements from the NCAA are:

 

• 40 percent of required coursework for a degree must be complete by the end of the second year, 60 percent by the end of the third year and 80 percent by the end of their fourth year.
• Student-athletes are allowed five years of eligibility and athletically related financial aid.
• All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements related to the school’s GPA standards for graduation.

 

So it appears he was not able to get to the 40% mark by the end of summer... (40% of 120 credits is 48 credits) ... or his GPA fell below 2.0.

[BDYZR]

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[WeWere#2Once]

The origins of this thread speaks volumes about the generation that we are in.. It's not the students fault for his bad grades... It's his coaches fault? A coach can only do so much.. To let your grades slip so much that your coaches AND teachers can't motivate you to do your job tells me a lot about the player. Any time I hear that a player left due to academic reasons, I'm ok with it. It means that they were not "All In."

[Fold FB Invest in BB]

Maybe he isnt college material. Glad to see he will get another crack at it.

[CyberBull]

Ok, I really don't know much about this but maybe it has always happened or maybe I am just paying attention more this year or both.

But if we are losing players, good ones at that, to "academic issues" who's fault is that? I have been through enough post graduate education to know that ineligibility does not sneak up on a player. Are the coaches not riding these kids the minute a mid-term bad grade comes out? Does this happen a lot on our team, or any team. I do not recall headlines of players getting kicked off other teams for "academic" reasons.

Is this a failure of our coaching staff. Think about it, to get kicked out for academic reasons, in my mind anyway, takes a couple of semesters at least. Maybe the coaches did all they could do, maybe not.

I would imagine that coaches are assigned to stay on top of this stuff and provide endless amounts of tutoring when an athlete starts to struggle.

Thoughts?

Does anyone know the full story?

How is this the coaches fault?

Seems like poor Coach Taggart is responsible for everything bad that happens in this program. smh...

IIRC, Calloway was border line to get admitted in the first place. The bottoms line is that you can attend study halls, classes and take advantage of all the opportunity regular students don't but if you don't pass your tests you will fail your course. That sounds like exactly what happened here...hopefully he gets things in order b/c it sounds like he was at least putting forth the effort.....just needs results.

Btw, fans can't have it both way, that is we can't ***** about USF denying admissions to questionable students like Baxter yet complain when a player that we were counting on to significantly contribute flunks out. It's hard to build a program when you can rely on players to make grades.

One last thing: a lot more regular "students" flunk out than football players....and most of these happens b/c kids party too much, don't go to class and aren't mature enough to develop good time management skills. Is it USF's fault they flunked out? Willie Taggart's?

Edited August 1, 2015 by CyberBull

[Bull Dozer]

With all the support these kids get academically and they way they're monitored they have to either be mentally incapable of being a college student or just not putting forth the effort required to stay eligible.  You're really reaching to try to pin this on Taggart.  

Edited August 1, 2015 by Bull Dozer

[CyberBull]

With all the support these kids get academically and they way they're monitored they have to either be mentally incapable of being a college student or just not putting forth the effort required to stay eligible.  You're really reaching to try to pin this on Taggart.  

 

Fans have blamed Taggart for everything else , so why not blame him for a kid flunking out despite USF likely having the best academic support system in the state of Florida.

 

smh