DawgPound

I mentioned Vega cause I saw his posts about Clanton elsewhere. I was looking for fan reaction to his commitment and he had a nice spin going. While I admit that it's a bit of an stretch to put Vega in the same group as Warp, both still have their own sour grapes. That dontpushme showed the most ignorance talking about basketball relevence. New Mexico was riding a 33 game home OOC winning streak when they played UCF. The Pit is a very tough place to play. Some will consider that the biggest win so far because of it being away and that UNM seriously considered it a big warm up.

Some silly bball talk here. Vega and warp are a couple of crybabies with sour grapes. The game proved why Clanton wanted to go to UCF. Also, unlike football, no basketball is irrelevant. Schools like Davidson, Creighton and Gonzaga don't even have I-A football programs yet they can run with the D-I big boys. Once again, it's simply sour grapes. I've been to a couple of bball games since the new arena opened and the student section is always very hostile. Thirdly, why are people using football numbers to justify basketball? Who cares about 64-12 on the hardwood? There were 2 games played over the last 2 years, both were good games and they were split. USF fans, no need to make excuses. Just take the loss with some grace and look forward to the next game. FYI, I consider 1998 to be UCF's best ever season. They got hosed due to conference affiliations(the lack thereof).

A lot of people want him out. He's not going anywhere though. I'd be happy with an offensive coaching overhaul.

They may leave, but that also means they show up in the first place and consider how great the season has been, that's not bad. Remember, these fans have endured a lot. From a 17 game losing streak to going 4 consecutive games with 0 offensive points in the second half. That cost UCF the game on multiple occasions where they could have won it. At 4-7 going into the last game, the fans wanted to see the seniors play hard and go out with a bang. Instead, it was a whimper and the fans were sending a message to the athletics brass. A team talented enough to win the conference the year before should not be, well, this bad. For the longest time, UCF was a commuter school. While a large population live off campus(many in area apartments), UCF has worked hard to shed that image and has the most on campus housing in the state now. I guess what also helps is how the school is built in that it's not interweaving with the city around it(like UF) but is almost like a city in itself. I don't think USF is a commuter school anymore. What might help is to continue replacing the old bunker buildings and making the campus more modern. The new buildings look nice, but the old ones are eyesores.

Those are second half pictures(look at the scoreboard). The place cleared out after halftime(cause everyone knows we don't score in the second half). Also, the first picture is of the student section(the one I said was pretty much empty). The last one is from the 4th because my section(130) is one that is partially pictured. It was nearly full to start the game and then the attrition came. The second one had the same section in it (between 30 and 40's).

Lee texted me and said he estimated the crowd at 15K. I'd have to ask what game the old man stumbled to? He probably drove south to the FIU/FAU game. That was a very full "15k".

I've been around but have had little to say. I know a few that post are unable to tighten their green and gold goggles and they just needed a little correcting. Being at the game, I can honestly say that the announced number wasn't far off from the real number. I'd say 20-22k is probably a more accurate number, but no less. There were single game seats taken as well as visiting seats(UAB brought a small crowd and their marching band). Just calling it how I saw it. Anyway, how's by you?

I was at that game. There is a reason why I can't stand Thanksgiving weekend games. There were next to no students there(a good 12k missing right there). From what students have been saying, spending time with the family(away from campus) was more important than watching a 4-7 team stink it up. I can't argue with that. I'd say about 80% of season ticket turnout was there and there wasn't much in single game tickets. 23k being there is a fair assessment. Now, my green and gold friend, the big difference in this argument is that your attendance troubles are during games that should not have issues. Before this game, the season low for attendance was 40k for the Sunday ECU game. In fact, that Sunday game was the lowest since the stadium opened before the Thanksgiving game. UCF has historically had bad Thanksgiving weekend attendance, so weak numbers last week come to no surprise. 2008 - 23644 2006 - 23755 2004 - 12083 2003 - 12902 2002 - 12462 This comes from being a young school with a still growing fan base with a large majority of students not being commuters. Now, I don't expect you to get it, cause you rarely do, but all things considered, averaging slightly under 40k for a really bad season is a good indication that the fan base is growing and getting stronger.

Win a national title, then you'll be in the picture. Till then, keep those green and gold goggles on tight. I'd hate to see reality get through.

1 game does not dictate big 3 status. Even if we beat Miami(this or next year), we aren't big 3. Win a national championship before making comparisons. Hell, make a BCS bowl before trying to sit at that table. Till then, you're still at the kiddie table.

If you really think FIU and FAU aren't the bottom 2 in the state, you don't know college ball. FAU is the worst.

Instant Classic. As I said, taking it with humor.

You're right in that GOL is more of a fan of the big smash mouth football. That works in Big Ten country, but not down here. Down here, it's a speed game and in Florida, you don't find GOL-type players. One of a few reasons why I think GOL is better off somewhere else. He should be gone after 2010. A lot of the problem is execution and coaching. Jason Venson biting on a crappy fake is not a lack of talent, but bad coaching on how to cover. Too many penalties is not a smack on talent, but bad coaching by not teaching the kids to keep their heads in the game. Our problems has been injuries. Aiken being out 3 games hurt and now Ross being out the rest of the year doesn't help either. Guyton is already out for the year and PSmith did not have the proper coaching mentoring to keep him out of trouble. Seeing how many UCF players made NFL rosters, I don't think talent is the problem. It's coaching.

I disagree with you, Trip. Talent wise, UCF is on par with many midlevel BCS teams. They just can't get it together and that falls on the coaching staff.

Bergman coached very well during his prime at UCF. I was the last few years that the baseball team faltered. Remember, he was here for 26 years or so. Kruz made his coaching name at UCF as an offensive based coach. His mouth was his downfall. Sloan wasn't outdated. He just wasn't the right man for UCF. As for Heath, he DID make a name for himself elsewhere.